They ARE concentration camps

ask someone from europe who's country has been taken from them by immigrants

 

England after the Norman conquest?

 

it's happened again right under your nose

 

So use stadiums for tent cities is the solution?

 

I'm not into the who thinks what is fair or right so much as I am interested in the logistics of how it will be done.

 

That was obviously an armed invasion by a militarily superior force.

 

I'm from Europe I don't think the situation is worse than in the US. Countries like Italy have the most issues with illegal immigrants but 'taken from them'? Or which countries had you in mind when making that statement? And how is it taken from the original inhabitants?

 

I know a number of people that live in western US, where the MANY orchard crops are grown...and there are literally crops (fruits and vegetables) rotting in the fields because we "natural" citizens have no interest in this back breaking work or picking crops. It is one of the most stupid things I've read in the thread where it was written that "almost 100% of agriculture is mechanized" (or something like that). What you have suggested is an excellent idea AND SPEAKS TO THE LOGISTICS of what to do with the asylum seekers, since that appears to be of some concern. Prior to treating the people seeking to cross the border and work as less than animals (AND BEING DENIED), there was no problem. NOBODY here in the USA had jobs that were being taken away by immigrants.

Good grief...some of you are so intentionally obtuse, and seem so determined to justify what is now being done at the border, it is as if all common sense and decency has completely left y'all.

I really don't mean to be smart - but honest to God, Irmi...you need to go back and LOOK AT OUR HISTORY WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LEGAL (until recently) REGARDING THE BORDER AND PEOPLE SEEKING ASYLUM. Prior to DOLT45, the borders WERE open to immigrants (and its undocumented...I have a big problem with calling people illegal)...and when it was discovered they had a criminal background, they were DENIED entry. Others had their paperwork processed, and often they already had a farm to go work at or had family that would get them work.

 

This seeming concern about the "logistics" of what to do with them...can be solved by putting a number of these families COMPLETE WITH THEIR CHILDREN in many of these small western to mid-western towns...

Here is something I have copied. (I could take credit for this since a private individual wrote this...but I'm not.) It gives much food for thought, IF you have an open mind.

"We need more immigration... We have small towns dying from a dwindling and aged tax base.. America isn't "full".. Low unemployment rates actually translate into labor shortages.. More people mean more customers, more taxes, more restaurants, a larger labor pool.. Urban areas are overwhelmed because smaller towns shut out growth... They have homogenized themselves to death and now rely on a subsidized existence.. And have the utter gall to complain about the large urban tax base that props up their pretensions.

If every tiny town of under 5000 citizens would sponsor 100 families from anywhere we would start to see some greatness.."

 

Conversely, demagogues like Trump and the ones who post on HF like to characterize all immigrants as terrorists, rapists, carriers of disease, etc. who will swarm in here and take over. Both are extreme views that are unhelpful in making "a logical argument on this issue". Should refugees including children exercising their legal rights to claim asylum be treated worse than common criminals and denied the minimum protections afforded prisoners under the Eighth Amendment? If so, why?

As for letting "100% of the illegal aliens walk in freely and set up camp in America", I'm 100% against that. We need controlled borders to prevent our resources from being overrun by people who don't share our constitutional values, are criminals, terrorists, etc.. So, in my opinion, the focus should be not on whipping up anti-immigrant hysteria but on constructive solutions to increase border security, capabilities for processing applicants, and review of the provisions of the U.S. Refugees Act, the 1951 Refugee Convention, and the Immigration and Nationality Act, the Immigration Reform and Control Act, etc. E.g, what do we want to do about the Dreamers?

 

So what can Americans do? Are we able to absorb the entire flood of people coming in from whenever they come from? Like most leftist would say it is not sustainable. The collapse of our country will follow.

 

Using them as Pawns.

 

Okie, have you noticed people who don't understand political science have a limited ability to absorb information?

 

The United Nations has the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which covers the topic. Our problem today is the KKK has infiltrated our federal government by way of the Republican Party. The KKK platform and that of the Republican Party are identical. Look it up and the history of DC Stephenson.

 

Trump has used them as stepping stones since he stepped onto that escallator and declared his candidacy for President, with the remarks about Mexico "bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists".

 

I will look up DC Stephenson...but being from the south, I am quite well aware that the KKK platform and the Republican party platform have become, unfortunately, the same. Why there are so many people that deny there is a KKK, but of course don't live in the midst of it is beyond what I'm able to grasp. ESPECIALLY when you have a POTUS saying there are "fine men and women" with the white supremacists, which is just another name for the KKK...but of course that is apparently too much for some to discern.

I have no earthly idea why people that seem able to comprehend and think are unable to comprehend that ^^^...and it honestly isn't that hard to see nor understand.

 

What Americans can do (theoretically, at least, if the politicians can come to a sensible compromise), is implement comprehensive immigration reform along the following lines: (1) adopt enhanced border security, which would supplement Trump's fence with technology (cameras), fixed towers, aerial and underground cameras) and additional border security agents. (2) crack down on companies hiring undocumented workers, by requiring them to use E-Verify to establish documented status and enhanced worksite enforcement penalties. (3) provide a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers and immigrants with Temporary Protected Status, requiring them to pay a penalty and their taxes , learn English, and pass background checks; (4) increase hearing examiners, clerks, and interpreters to process asylum claims, and adhere strictly to the criteria of domestic and international law (government persecution, discrimination, life-threatening situation); (5) partner with Central American countries to combat poverty and gang activities responsible for the problems . That might not endear me to open borders progressives or xenophobes on this issue, but it might at least provide some constructive talking points for moving beyond the rhetorical slogans.

 

Actually, the unemployment rate is more that twice that.

 

The first sentence contradicts the second sentence.

 

Yeah, I get it. I get how these threads work. They just jump to conclusion when an issue is raised. You're asking as question and the next minute they think you're saying it. They look but they don't see bro. I'm still waiting for a legitimate answer too as usual and the best one I saw was something about sending them back on boats from Okie. That's cruel. And a dumb solution we all have seen what that does in Australia you'll start having the humanitarian parades about how that's evil too and you need to let them in, and then when that happens my whole couple of posts there gonna start making a whole lotta sense to folks.