They ARE concentration camps

The point is, they made a noise, took to the streets....they didnt just pack up and walk to a neighbouring country, possibly abandoning their own country forever

 

The protesters? Lol. It's a completely different situation dude. Why would they leave Hong Kong?

Its an indirect consequence. But no, they're not responsible for the abominable (mal)governing of Venezuela and what follows out of that.
It may be logical to argue like that if the USA gets blame too and then apply the same measures to India, but why are you doing that in the first place? Mainly because Ajay is from India...

 

Unlike the Brits and Aussies, who over-enthusiastically followed the U.S. to war in Iraq and suffered numerous casualties, India rejected the American proposal to send their battle-hardened troops to Iraq politely.

Let India's Troops Go to Iraq

India had good trade relations with Venezuela and wants to continue doing so, but are being pressured by the Americans to go for other clients. India has a good defence and economic relationship with the Americans at the moment, which it wants to maintain. It has cooperated with the Americans in Afghanistan and Indo-pacafic region over security issues.

 

@VG
If you wanna mix China into this thread in a meaningful way it would already make more sense to start about those Ugur re-education centres. Although not concentration camps, people are locked up for no good reason and mistreated there too.
I saw you mention them earlier in another thread but also to make a trivial point only unfortunately...

 

Why would they leave Venezuala?

I could think of many examples where far worse things happen in a country and still not that big a percentage of the population walks away

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This is what he posted

"India and other customers has also stopped buying Venezuelan oil, due to heavy pressure from the American government having a major grudge against the Venezuelan government and wanting to block its access to oil money"

 

I'm sorry, but the relevance of your comparison to the Hong Kong protesters is still not clear. In fact, the comparison seems rather off. Bogus even.

 

I dont see anyone here caring about it

 

Explain the world where that is paints these facilities in a positive light. One in which my retirement plan is just prison stock?

You're being deliberately obtuse. I stated "reaping a fortune" when I posted the article. Bayer made a killing making hydrogen cyanide in the 40's. I wouldn't call that a glowing review.

 

It's on the other part of the world and not a lot in the news. It's completely logical people are not as busy with that as with stuff that's going on in countries they're more connected with.

 

Sanctions against a country to get rid of its autocratic government seldom works. Usually its the people who suffers.

Sanctions against Iraq prior to the Iraq wars prevented much needed medical equipment and drugs from entering Iraq which was needed by its children.


Squeezed to death

Same thing is happening over here in Venezuela. Economic isolation and deprivation, inflation and sanctions have deprived the once-prosperous people of basic needs,coupled with breakdown in law and order, and they are now refugees seeking a better life elsewhere.

 

Yawn. Im trolling, I am delibrately being obtuse when I ask a question you cant directly answer.

Positive/Negative, "reaping a fortune" that kind of thing or any other emotional context is irrelevant.

If local governnent ignores ICE, in part because of voters outrage, and the end result is private companies running these centres and jails get bigger, these refugees end up getting detained longer...ie, it just makes the situation worse

Then how do you turn that around?

How do you ensure people protesting ends up with more public/ government run centres rather than privately operated ones, at least going back to using county jails

And a reminder its a link you posted

 

@Ajay0
Uhm, i read awhile ago the US was sending stuff to Venezuela but it was denied by Maduro because it was from the US. He seem to think he and his citizens have this luxury (well, he has but not the venezuelan people) because other countries were sending aid as well. So no, not the exact same is happening in Venezuela.

Here, maybe read this:

2019 shipping of humanitarian aid to Venezuela - Wikipedia

 

....and other reasons that could only be VG being cynical

 

I think several people on here also had this inclination about you in other serious thread topics.

 

It is all national egos involved, oblivious to the suffering of the people.

Strangely, the rejected humanitarian aid can of course be offered to the immigrants on the border.

I would also say that easing the sanctions on Venezuela can stop aggravating the situation. A small country like Venezuela is not at all a threat in any manner.

 

That would be the Iraq that recently wiped out ISIS, is now democratic, has zero inflation and 11% growth in GDP per capita....that Iraq?

 

Arent you at all curious as to why you've only seen one "photo" of the "black hole" at the centre if Messier 87 or what the image would look like with just the algorithms for telemetry and minus the relativistic algorithms ?

 

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I am talking about the Iraq prior to the invasions. The sanctions resulted in the death of over half a million Iraqi children for need of wanted medical supplies and drugs.

ISIS was again defeated due to the combined efforts of a lot of countries involved but not before it took a major toll on the population along with heavy human rights violations against the Yazidis. In retrospect, it would have been better if the invasion had not happened, as Saddam Hussein was not a theocratic dictator but a arab jingoist who also had stabilised the region.

 

Yeah, but your point was sanctions dont work, so how come they worked with Iraq?