There's a reason why the 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't going away

arguing about this is POINTLESS.

face the fact that you'll never truly find out ALL of what happened on 9/11.

all you are doing is taking sides and bickering with good people on the internet.

on a lighter note, have you ever noticed how good pb&j is stoned? truly a gift from the gods

 

pb&j is good not stoned.

i agree with that shite though.

 

Why are we arguing on this internet forum and not doing anything to stop the powers that be? What does complaining do? We are raised like cattle and live on a people farm. Many of us talk about conspiracy this, conspiracy that, but no one does ANYTHING.


I'll admit that I'm guilty of this too, but when I leave for college next autumn, that is when I start to do my part in tearing it down. We need to stop watching and get out of our houses and cause major problems for whoever is controlling us, whether it be the CIA, WTO, the Freemasons, etc. No one man is the cause of this present situation and no one man is to be blamed.

Don't blame the cops, don't blame bush, don't blame your teachers or your parents. There are people above them who must be taken down. People must learn to think differently and to realize that in this modern 'free democracy', we are in a greater slavery than any people in history, at least those in the past knew they were being oppressed.

We work hard for cars, basic housing, genetically altered foods, orange starless nights, clouds made of jet exhaust, undrinkable rivers, plastic clothing, and the ability to blend seamlessly into a crowd. Why?

 

Why would it be pointless? I think it's important to try to gain a better understanding of what could and not not have happened.

Did people question Pearl Harbor? Why would so many question the validity of the commission report? There is something that just doesn't sit right, and people are looking for the answers as to why that is.

You're right though, bickering won't solve anything. I think people should just ask each other questions, and look at is as a team effort for finding the truth.


Big Blonde: I think we are doing something about it. Us talking about possibilities, sharing information, could help us to gain a better understanding of what we should be looking for. I think the first step to solving this problem is to first openly discuss all possibilities, and that's what we are currently doing.

We are definitely doing something about it. Change begins at the individual level. Change how the individual see's the world, reshape the world itself.

 

you have a big blonde afro.

 

It's possible for the flame front of burning fuel to be hotter in an open air situation like that of the tanker truck and bridge collapse compared with a fire in an enclosed area. But the heat is also able to radiate and convect away from the bridge readily a hundred feet into the air. So the temperature of the air and metal overall isn't necessarily any higher than it would be in an enclosed area such as a building.

The air and metal temperatures in a fire with dark smoke in a relatively enclosed area aren't necessarily less than those for a fire in open air and can be higher. The fires in the WTC towers had plenty of air supply via the hole in the side of the buildings caused by the aircraft. Also, the dark smoke, walls, and floors acted like insulators which aided in keeping the temperatures high inside, similar to an oven, even though the flame front temperature itself may not have been extremely high. The dark smoke also obscures the fire and gives the impression that it is not very intense.

The lightweight trusses on each floor of the WTC towers were effectively the top wall of an oven and felt the full brunt of the fires. They sagged at high temperature and caused the observed inward bowing of the walls which started the collapse.

.

 

With respect for your opinion and input in this forum...

You are making assumptions on how other people live their life, based on your perception of them portreyed in the media, and your own ideas.

Personally, I barely even watch television, i'm more of a book nerd.

I also feel that true individuality is on the inside, not the outside, and can bloom in any setting.

Have a nice day

 

There are some analogies between the two. The WTC towers also had long trusses for the floors supported by columns at their ends only. The columns are analogous to the bridge pillars. The trusses in each case failed at high temperature and started a collapse. Long unsupported trusses are a potential weak point during a fire.

.

 

I'm sure we have conflicting views on reality, but I'm most intrested in your view of tearing it down.

Are you going to school for ballistics?

 

The 47 columns didn't have to be destroyed in order for the towers to collapse. Some of them were destroyed by the aircraft impact, which reduced the strength of the building and made it susceptible to collapse due to further weaking by the fires.

The sagging trusses caused by the fires gradually pulled in the exterior walls, as evidenced in the videos and photos. That loss of strength in the exterior walls together with the loss of strength of the core from the aircraft impact was enough to cause the upper section to tilt to the side with the bowed in wall, similar to a table falling over when one leg is kicked out. Once the tilting started, columns failed via buckling and splice fracture. There wasn't anything left to support the upper section, so it collapsed downward from that point on, as opposed to toppling like a tree.

The cores of the WTC towers weren't completely destroyed during the collapse. Portions of them managed to survive briefly after the floors collapse past them, as seen in the videos of the collapse. It's evidence of the weakness in the way long floors were attached to the columns with small angle clips. The attachments failed relatively easily during collapse compared with failure of the columns. The pile of falling debris passed by some of the columns leaving a portion of the core standing temporarily at the end of the collapse. The core itself wasn't designed to stand on its own, so the portion that managed to survive briefly also failed at the end of the collapse.

.

 

Although I do admire your enthusiasm I feel I must let you know something.

Causing major problems to the power brokers will cause them to make an example out of you.

Try not paying your taxes. They will throw you in prison. Cause a scene that might be interpreted as unfavorable publicity for a major corporation and you will be arrested.

Protest at a G7 meeting and you will be beaten by bloody by cops with clubs and tear gassed, then thrown in jail.

There is actually quite a few people who know what is going on now. For the rest of them it is too late. You cannot save the masses. You can only save yourself.

As for 911...there is no way I can actually ever know what happened. I suspect there is more to it then we know. But there is no way I can prove it.

 

I always thought that this was interesting:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/250208_b_Gunmen.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKQz-xm0is&e

 

Well I'm not talking about doing anything thats been done before. I know there will be very few or none on my side, but it has been that way my entire life.


Its only a matter of time before one of two things happen:
a) Due to gas shortages, melting ice caps, political disputes, etc someone fires a nuke and starts a chain reaction, where most of the world dies. In this situation, the powers that are in control now will survive and with army goons to take over the ashy frozen plains. I do not expect to survive nuclear winter

b) The powers make their final moves in consolidating the countries into one empire and we live in a new world order with constant rebellion in some areas and fearful obedience in others (or has this already happened?)

In my opinion, 9/11 could be just another distraction that succeeded in making people afraid and focused on something other than the shadow figures who pull the strings. People have now given up their rights in the name of safety from a religious organization on in a small desert country across the globe.

I don't want to sound hopeless, and I am not. There is a way to stop all of this, but to find it will take time and experience that is one its way. If things go as I see them, many many people will die in a population implosion within twenty years and that is the simple economics of nature. Every species in a given enviroment has a population limit. When the population of the species exceeds this limit there will be a massive die off in the near future.

So if any of you have any serious ideas for action, please post now or get up and do something. The police are basically watchdogs which now have us in a lockdown state. If you manage to become independent from their authority, the US army with the world's most advanced weapons will bring you down. The answer does not lie in open rebellion, just as the answer to world domination is not in open war.

But I am hijacking this thread in a very major way, so maybe I'll make my own haha. :jester: And don't think I'm pissed off all the time, I'm actually quite jolly in person

 

9/11 wasnt a distraction.

 

But you see, all this talk of overpopulation is being put out there by organizations that have ties to the elite. It's all about creating a justification for population control. The world is not overpopulated. The world can sustain many more people than the current number. It's easy to go to any large city and think the world is overpopulated. The fact is, there are huge amounts of land virtually untouched by humans. Most of the human population is confined to the cities.

 

Yeah but you have to keep in mind the amount of land needed for sustainability..livestock, agriculture, etc. I'd say its near overpopulation at least, especially since populations grow exponentially. I think the statement you quoted is accurate. Does that mean our fate is a massive die off? No. But that is the nature of ecosystems.

 

That's correct. A portion of a north tower's core was visible for about 20-30 seconds following the pulverization of the outer frame of the building. After about 20-30 seconds, this portion of the core simply turns to dust and vaporizes in mid-air. We're talking about thick steel beams here. Here is the video clip you should all check out, and then ask yourselves, what could have possibly made this steel vaporize in mid-air as it falls. Certainly not jet fuel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

 

The smoke and narrow windows of the towers obscured the extent of the fires. The sizes of the fires can be seen better as the collapse began when the falling upper section pushed the flames out the building. Clearly, there were some intense fires burning over a large area, as opposed to patchy oxygen-starved fires.



.

 

Steel vaporizes near 2800 C. That's hotter than a lamp filament. None of the steel vaporized. If it did, it would have been white hot and would have blotted out the pixels on cameras.

The remains of the core of WTC1 is known as the spire. It wasn't designed to support itself and needed the help of the floors and external walls. When it toppled, some of the dust that was on it from the collapse was shaken off, dust that truthers mistakenly claim to be vaporized steel.

.

 

The human population is currently consuming resources at an unsustainable race. With this large of a population growing so rapidly, it is only a matter of time before we burn out our resources. The only places are Earth that are still uninhabited are those places which are basically uninhabitable (i.e. mountain ranges, oceans, arctic regions, northern canada and siberia, deserts) If you look at satellite (sp?) maps of north america, there are very few areas of untouched land.

And the human population isn't the only species that is alive on this planet by the way. We have every responsibility to keep other species alive, which means that we must preserve their habitats.

Are you sure about that? Within an hour or two of the event, every single person I knew was talking about it. I remember counting over forty stations on my television playing over and over again images of the destruction. People were very distracted and frightened by it. Because of this people think terrorists are the real threats, but they are quite wrong.