There is no such thing as "Conspiracy".

SHush!!! I type fast that's all, and can't usually be bothered to check for typos

 

You should check for them. It would make your posts easier to understand. Usually it's not a problem, but a couple of times I've actually had trouble understanding what you were saying. Just a suggestion.

 

Still looking?

 

Give him his time. He needs to hack into the super-secret underground CIA base, use his illegal laser pen to open the door, sneak inside, find the documents, copy them, and escape on his golden dragon. It's all just a big conspiracy. Obviously...

 

The document is available on the official website, here. Stop bitching at me for not providing evidence. You have eyes. Read.

 

Wow. Looks like their site's gone down.

Since you couldn't manage to find your way there, I doubt you'll be capable of finding a copy of the document, so I've taken the liberty.

http://www.tamilnation.org/intframe/pnac.pdf

 

Oh I had no problem finding the document, I just had a problem finding the part that calls for the invasion and "standardisation" of Afghanistan. The reason I had problems finding that part is because it doesn't exist.

So where's the part about the invasion and standardisation of Afghanistan? I can only find one mention of Afghanistan, on page 47, and it has nothing to do with invading or "standardising" it.

Can you just stop pissing around and admit you never read the document, you just repeated something you heard on a conspiracy website? This is becoming ridiculous.

 

It's what every single one of them do. They just repeat what they hear, and it spreads like wildfire.

Zorba, honestly. I would respect you so much more as a person if you just flat-out admitted that you just heard that somewhere, and repeated it. I highly doubt that you read a 47+ page document just so you could prove somebody wrong over the internet.

 

There is no such thing as "Conspiracy".

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Do you even know what a conspiracy is “The act of two or more people working together in secret to obtain a goal”

To suggest that conspiracies don’t exist is sheer lunacy


Hotwater

 

You can have whatever doubts you want. I have been seriously researching this for a long time, and believe me, 47 (actually 90) pages is nothing. Did it occur to you that I may have read it for that purpose, not to prove someone wrong?

And I'm not really interested in winning the respect of someone with your track record.

And Pepik -- all of the countries that have been invaded, and the ones about which invasion is currently being discussed, are listed, in order. They are said to be threats to "American preeminence", which is why they must be standardized. And a major attack is called for to justify it. When considering the fact that so many PNAC members went on to serve in the Bush administration, this should raise some eyebrows.

 

You have already lost the debate. There is no mention of invading and "standardising" Afghanistan in the document. It isn't there. If it was, you would have pointed it out already. its not that hard.

Someone else told you that, so you repeated it. End of story. You were wrong.

 

That's cute, but I think you know what I meant.

 

I was about to put to together a well thought out response, until I read that we the people are supposedly more powerful than the government. then I just said fuck it.
I wish you were right though.

it's weird as hell how people act like other WISH the government was conspiring against us.

 

The people are more powerful than the government -- they just don't realize it, and therein lies the government's power.

 

when they are united...

and our country is about as united as...well...the people involved inthis discussion

perhaps this will help you through your little episode Yeal.

 

You realize that Skip, our forum webmaster, wrote what you have as a sig pic?



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Whose sig pic?

 

mine?? that's not my sig pic.

but no kidding? Jesus buttfucking Christ if you were talking to me, which I think you were. I just found this on google images while I was searching for some cool pictures. I clicked on the pic, and it took me too somebodys myspace. that pic was on their page, and I thought it could be useful when I don't feel like explaining the corruption in the US.

 

Yep,

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=254077&highlight=characteristics


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The simple fact of the matter is that the politicians (voiced with extreme venom and malice) have the single greatest weapon against conscious revolution ever discovered and, as strong as the internet is, as widespread as the memes have been sown, as loud as the song of liberty rings and as shrilly the howls of outrage echo across the digital plain, it is not enough to overcome apathy. And no, I'm not talking about "get out the vote" apathy, everyone reading this should at least have an inkling of the futility of that exercise, but the "butts off the couch" apathy; the kind where blue-collar folks give up the six-pack of beer to stand down a storm trooper aiming an electric torture device at their wives and kids; real action versus real apathy.

H.L. Mencken once wrote, "No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby." He was spot on. He could also have written, "And no one ever lost power underestimating their apathy," but I suspect that would have been too many qualifying phrases even for Mencken; not so for me.

Many in the liberty movement are standing aghast at the state of things today, not at the tortures and the black-bag ops and the imperialism and the human rights violations and the bald-faced open aggression of this government against humans domestic and abroad, but at the complete lack of popular action against it. Oh sure, the normal groups are humming along, printing websites and collecting donations and getting thrown in jail for the weekend, but many seem to be genuinely flummoxed that there can be so much tinder and so many sparks, and not a single flame blooming across the culture like a scarlet flower on a warm summer morning.

Unlike the politicians, we have underestimated the American capacity for apathy. There is precedent for this apathy. It is our most favored example of Governments Gone Awry. The Nazi regime did in ten years what the American government is only now approaching after 60 years of political frog-boiling. In ten years the Nazis waged aggressive war on their political neighbors, their geographical neighbors, their racial neighbors, and their religious neighbors, took their businesses and placed them into fascist control, and tortured, mutilated and burned their own citizens in their back yards. A mere ten years of social conditioning, and the apathy of the German people allowed this to occur. And while there were undergrounds and secret groups working against the Nazi government, there was no popular uprising. All the horrors of the Nazi program were not enough to jar the German people into action away from their broken radios and phonographs.

And today, Americans have six times the practice at apathy, with 160 channels to Tivo and a hundred different beers and circuses of every shape and style imaginable. Humiliation is public sport ranging from the seediest “reality” broadcasts right through to food preparation. They stare at the TV and wax poetic about how, "Aw'd never be cawt DED on one o' them showz!" while secretly thinking they could insult Simon into speechlessness if only they could get on.

No, folks, there is no tearing (or tearing) away the eyes of this America from their idiot box, and they wouldn't dare risk their cell phone bars. Rome did not fall to the Romans. The Nazis were not defeated by Germans. The sole example of genuine popular uprising and destruction of government is the French Revolution, which soon fell to Napoleon, who did not abdicate to any Frenchman. Indeed, the Constitution itself was not an act of popular demand. The Second Revolutionaries of Washington, Paine and Hancock, et al met in secret, and spent years brokering the political deals to eclipse the Articles of Confederation; politicians overthrowing politicians in a new country's elimination rounds.

Fundamental changes in government are almost universally external. The spark of the French Revolution was massive foreign debt (including funding the American Revolution as a method of covert war with England ) resulting in extreme taxation of which an absence of fiat money offered no veil of disguise. The Romans imploded against Germanic tribes, and the Nazis fell to American carpet bombings. The collapse of the USSR was not at all a proletariat revolution, but a combination of internal corruption and superior American fiat finesse (a point of pride for many Reaganites, but ultimately no better than proudly proclaiming, "My rapist is slicker than yours!").

So why, in the face of history, do we insist we can manufacture lightning and catch it in a bottle?