There is no such thing as "Conspiracy".

Ask questions, protest, blog and send letters, it is what we are supposed to do in America. If you thinkt hat by speaking out you are being a "rebel" and sticking ti to the man, then you are wrong. I'll just use "they" to refer to the government.
They want you to protest
They want you to blog
They want you to badmouth them
They know whats going on, and if they wanted to enslave the world or whatever cattywompus plot they have accoridng to some people on thsi thread, then they would have already done it. Fact is, it's not as bad as it could be, so just chill out, smoke a j, and have fun while you are still alive, because do you really want to spend your whole life complaining and bithcing about soemthing that might not even be true?

The Mushroom Man

 

What?

What the hell is your problem kid? Somebody get a pacifier for this bitch. I don't say a word for 6 or so pages, then you decide to try to take a shot at me, randomly, for no reason? Grow the hell up, champ. I don't think you need to wonder anymore why I called you 'kid' before.


Listen, Zorba... just give up. Stop making idiotic claims and spewing dogma left and right. Your making moron out of yourself publicly, over the internet. All of your claims are, first of all, illogical and simple-minded. Second of all, they're backed by idiots like Michael Moore, and videos like "Loose Change".
All 'evidence' your try to bring up is just some moron spewing his dogma left and right publicly. I think you need to learn to think for yourself, and not believe everything you read.

 

Well said.

 

Well I just find it a little funny when a 19-year-old makes a bunch of bullshit claims about his own wisdom and how he "really feels he has the ability to run a country", gets called on it, then changes his age to 28. I notice that in all that venom you spewed at me, you never did actually address this fact.

And I'll thank you to stop acting like you know me personally. I have absolutely no respect for Michael Moore or any of his bullshit, nor have I ever seen, nor do I care to see Loose Change. People like you and Pointbreak/Pepik/Hiptastic always say things like "you get all your information from conspiracy websites and Alex Jones". These are ridiculous claims, since you have no idea where I get my information, and I do not read conspiracy sites, nor do I follow Alex Jones. It's just bullshit that the average person reading the thread might believe. It's a very low, dirty trick to use in an argument.

 

I never changed my age. Not once. Ever. You're just plain wrong. You're probably thinking of somebody else. Ask some people at the psychic forum if I was EVER 19, since age was a top I discussed over there with them.

And I'd like to see where you get your information. I really would. I simply assumed that one spewing idiocy got his information from an idiotic source.

 

You claimed to have believed in 9/11 conspiracies at the age of 12. That makes you no older than 19.

 

It was an exaggeration, and I think you knew it. You know all too well that your argument has failed. Now your desperate to find some way to conflict with me, so you choose my age. Fine. You caught me. I'm 19. Happy? Moving on. . .

You are still avoiding my request. Show me where you get your information from. We'll check your sources. Chances are you'll show me 5 or 6 fucking morons with PHD's in whatever, and expect me to call them credible for making it through college. Well, a pig wearing a dress is still a pig. Now, finally! Let's see this abundance of knowledge you have access to. And please, don't give me anything that you haven't read, and please don't give me like ten links, three or four should do just nicely. Thank you.

 

I'm not avoiding anything. But, in case you were unaware, I don't get paid to jump at every request for information made on this forum. If it were a request made with genuine interest, that would be different. But I'll be damned if I'm going to go to the trouble of citing all kinds of work for you, just so you can write it off, which you have already done before even seeing it. I think you made a major fucking mistake when you assumed that I cared about you and your opinions on my sources.

Not to mention that I have already cited work, in this thread and others, which I deem to be very important. Read The Anglo-American Establishment by CFR archivist Carroll Quigley. Once you've done that, get back to me. I don't know why you expected 3 or 4 links, since I've already stated in no uncertain terms that I don't do my research on the internet. It's not going to be as easy as reading a page or two of text then posting back. You have to delve deep into this shit, which I have done. Not to mention that you really haven't given any specific area in which you'd like information sourced. But since you don't plan to read anything I cite anyway, I guess that's not a big issue.

 

Be fair. If I gave you a book to read, do you honestly and truly think you would go through all the trouble of buying a book, reading it, and analyzing it just to prove a point to some guy over the internet? I do expect links, we're on the computer. Only tell me to read a book if you're willing to read a book for me.

I did, however, look at Carroll Quigley and his work. I read several biographies, and he seems to be a pretty well-rounded guy. His work was based on the phases of civilization, and the worldwide conspiracy to bring about a New World Order.

I found an exact quote from the book you mentioned, and he seems to base his work seems to be focused on he "Round Table Groups". He says in his book that, somehow, this secret society decided to give him access to their documents for two years. he discovered this wealth of information, and so on.

If you remember correctly, I said I did believe in a secret society, round table group, whatever. I think they include rich, powerful individuals, and I believe that they work for the greater good of humanity. (New World Order)

No more name calling, ok? Truce with the names, it's getting out of control for both of us.

 

Yeal,
I asked you a number of questions back on pg. 6, that you still haven't responed to, just wondering why?

 

Okay, so you don't take issue with the existence of the NWO, you just think it's benevolent. I guess that makes it a matter of opinion, though I would have to strongly disagree with you.

 

I'm sorry. I wasn't around for page 6. I took a break and just got back. If you restate your questions I'll gladly answer them.

 

May I inquire why? As I explained before, the WNO has been gravely misunderstood. People imagine a corrupt government, and 'sheeple' and all that other stuff. The NWO represents world peace, an era of peace and prosperity as mankind gets flung into the 'space age' or what we consider the future. With all countries working together as one, we could invent technology at a much faster rate, and possibly eliminate pollution. We could easily invent clean power sources, clean machines, and in general, benefit our environment through our technology.

It all depends in what light you look at the NWO in. So anyway, why do you think the NWO would be really bad?

 

Am I wrong in thinking the NWO...is just the order of the world is changing?
The world is always changing, so why is it hard to believe that a NWO is just the world is changing. When architects of a NWO are only talking about the world is changing. Even the think tanks who perpetuate the NWO, say it is the world is changing.

 

Well, if you read these people's writings, you'll see that their plans aren't going to be so nice for people who disagree with them. They talk about microchips and things like that. What if some of us don't want that?

The biggest issue I have, and the reason why I think a successful, free world government can never be attained, is because it will have to be forced on someone. There will always be those who want no part of it, and they will have it forced on them.

 

Microchips? The government never mentioned microchips, there just exists a company who makes them. That's all. If the government ever decided to force people to put microchips into their skin, there would be a massive retaliation. People would riot, burn down government buildings, etc. You have to keep in mind, we outnumber the government. If anything, they should be scared of us. What the government may do is recommend the microchip, and then slowly it would become a necessary provision to maintain a normal life. People would always have the choice of being chipped or not being chipped.

With that kind of attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if there will never be a Free World Order.

You are totally, one-hundred percent correct when you say that there will always be those who don't wish to conform. Most likely, there will be a handful of countries that don't join the NWO. As the years went on, they would slowly realize that the only way to be successful would be to join. There would be no 'force' and I don't know where you get the idea that the government likes to use force. You mentioned force regarding the microchips, and now the NWO. Think of it this way, when was the last time our government unjustly forced us to do anything we didn't want to do? (Besides the Draft, School, Taxes, etc. The government has good reason for those.)

 

this is a perfect example of why america is so easily controlled. people play the establishments game. the draft? the government had a good reason? what was their reason, choosing to go to war? taxes? again, where is the reason in that?

this is showing how subjective this whole thing is. either blindly follow the government, or wait until you are truley proven something before you believe it. does anybody truly KNOW we need taxes, other than the people at the top? no...hell, even people who make calculations within the company don't know without a doubt.

you're asking us to play follow the leader if you want us to accept the government taxing our money because they "say so". why not wait until their is a crisis that calls for taxes, and hell, even so, taxes aren't the best way to solve that if you're looking to be fair. of course they won't give you reasons when they're the ones taking your money.

 

I never mentioned force in regard to microchips. I simply said they would be used. And I'm not just talking about VeriChip. Look into the World Science Meetings and Loyola University in Louisiana, in which a programme was laid out for introducing microchips to the population.

The point is not whether actual physical force is used or not. It is just a technicality to say that using every means except physical ones to motivate people is not force. Convincing people to get chipped through fear, societal pressure, etc., is still force. It's just the more subtle kind of force which is used because they're smart enough to know that, as you said, if they tried to force it on everyone at once, they'd get a rebellion. That is obvious, but there are ways around it.

Same deal with not wanting to join the NWO. In fact, however, physical force is often used. Those who won't cooperate are simply branded "rogue nations", the public is sold on the idea that they pose a threat, and they are invaded and standardized.

 

IMO you two are as bad as each other, it seem like mutual masturbation to me.
But, continue, it reads well.

 

Man... the hostility has actually calmed down at this point. Don't fan the flames.