The Solution to the Abortion Issue

I guess I'm not quite sure where you're coming from because I don't understand how terminating because of the woman's life at risk is a black and white issue separate from the overall abortion debate.

I also don't understand how a woman/teenager doesn't know that adoption is an option. I mean, come on now. Of course planned parenthood has a political agenda... I'm not arguing that planned parenthood is god's gift to pregnant women... but to say that a woman doesn't know adoption is an option because planned parenthood doesn't tell them... sheesh, we're not morons.

I agree with you that all the solutions/choices/options should be available to women... which is why I'm pro-choice I definitely don't think that organizers of the 2 extremes should be the ones given that job though because bias will definitely come into play.

 

that's true... I spent a lot of my growing up in the foster system, and its like at the Humane Society... nobody wants the older ones, they want the innocent puppies and kittens.

 

Obviously you've been reading too much christian conservative fundie propaganda. I go to Planned Parenthood, and they educate you about ALL options. The first time I went in, they gave me a whole bag full of goodies; condoms, brochures on sex, stds, having kids, adoption, and abortion. They sit you down and talk to you, woman to woman, about your choices.
Now, before Planned Parenthood, when i wasn't aware they were in my neighborhood, i went to one of those "Pro-Life" clinics. let me tell you; pure brainwashing. They asked me questions about my religion, my beliefs, etc. personal things I shouldn't have to explain. they treated me like shit when i told them i was pro-choice. They wouldn't let me know the pregnancy test results until they got a chance to lecture me. They never told me about any clinics, options, etc. They never told me about Planned Parenthood either.

 

Interesting^... I just went to the planned parenthood website and they do, indeed, have information on adoption and do bring up the fact that some women experience long-term emotional problems (although rare) and that some experience serious regret. Thanks for pointing that out xbloodynailpolishx!

 

awesome, i'm glad parenthood has gotten their act together. there was a time when they didn't.

 

I don't really see your point. I certainly wasn't disputing that. We've already mentioned though that it's a lot harder to go through with the process of separation from a baby that you've given birth to than an embryo you've possibly not seen at all.

 

sorry xbnpx, the foster system is not an ideal place for any child. this is the place where i put most of my charity money, for 18 year old's being released from the system to help them get on their feet. i don't know how they can release these young adults into the world with no lifelines and expect them to make it.

i have a friend who adopted 5 older silbings from the system. they're a tough bunch of kids, but sweet also. so far, because they are with her, they are not in juvy and don't have records. she runs a tight ship. without her, these boys would most likely be ruined.

 

I agree with you 100%!

 

I think that it is very selfish to put a child through undesirable circumstances. Is it more devastating to carry/raise a child if the mother is trying to battle a drug issue? Is it more devastating to raise a child if the mama is homeless? Is it more devastating if doctors tell the woman that she could die if you had her baby and she could not get the abortion that she deserved and the baby would be raised without a mama? I think all of you who are completely against abortion are not looking at circumstances where the mother's health and wellbeing comes first. Without this then the baby's wellbeing will not be where it should be. Doctors who perform abortions clearly help these women. Without them we would see more dead babies and women in alley ways. This is not something I would like to see. You can't force a woman to carry a baby if she does not want to so she will do everything that she can to abort it. All of you "pro-lifers" can not see what would happen if abortion was made illegal. Drugs are illegal, but people still get them. If abortions are illegal, then women will find unsafe and dirty conditions to get one done. I would rather want them to be done by professionals in a clean environment. I particularly don't like the look/smell that dead fetuses put off. Maybe you all do...

 

i don't see any *pro-lifers* who posted here although i didn't read every single post. it's possible to be pro-choicer, but also believe that abortion isn't always the best answer. abortion is legal, keep it that way. women have been terminating their pregnancies since time began with herbs (black cohosh) and other's i don't the names of. keep abortion legal for those women that choose it. calling it a fetus or embryo doesn't change the fact that it would still be a baby/child/human being. to ignore that is ignorance, yet many woman WANT to ignore that so they don't have to feel guilty about their choice. the choice exists and should not be illegal, i don't believe .... yet if she makes the choice, she has to live with the choice she made and live with her conscience for her entire life. because i knew women who made this choice when they were young and i know them know, 20 years later, some of them regret their choice because of their conscience. it can't be denied. denial in this situation is not good.

again, there are very few newborn babies in the adoption system. the list of parents who want these babies is longer than babies available for adoption.

 

Yeah, so basically, we have a fairly rich tapestry here. Women abort for different reasons and it's usually hard, lots of women still put kids up for adoption but it's still not enough to meet the demand. And there are anecdotal exceptions to all the above.

Is this news to anyone?

Has anyone got anything to add to the actual original post?

 

honestly, children need a mother and father. no government agency can do this job. how will it be funded? it's way to risky for the children... if children's issues are already losing funding, and foster children go from home to home with one back pack, a sweatshirt and pair of jeans their entire foster lives, these *unwanted* children of the *government* would be considered burdens on society and *certain* politicians would see their money put elsewhere. too many children are institutionalized as it is now. they would never be able to bond with an adult and trust an adult. we have children in the institution of orphanages right now and adult *workers* come and go. it's too sad for them.

 

If TV's told me anything, it's that orphans raised by the government turn into nano-mechanised supersoldier with kung fu skills and biceps the size of Bournemouth. That's the start in life I'd want for my kids!

 

and we all know how accurate tv is. if only i knew where this mystical tv land was ... i might move there.

 

Yeah. I think this is an issue though. Are these orphans owned by the government? I mean, what's to stop the ugly ones from being sold off to zoos for meat, for example?

 

I believe the OP said it wouldn't be a government agency, but I honestly don't know how this would work with just the American people trying to fund it. I know that I personally can't afford to help fund that kind of thing, even if the contribution is low.

Abortion is a sensitive issue. But, I see it as simply being a matter of nobody being able to tell anyone else what they should or should not do with their own bodies.

 

self control, how many of the tv "orphans" have you actually met. they become wards of the state and live in hostels or foster care. Some foster carers are not up to scratch as the number of child abuse cases rises. often the foster cares spend their child payments on themselves. in hostels, the contamination rate ie criminal activity and prostition is out of control the reason for this is their isnt enough funding, so there will always be crappy foster carers to keep the federal and state budgets looking good


i know this, because i have worked for some time as a child protective worker
so i know what it is like to take a four year old "orphan " to hospital because they have a sexually transmitted disease and/or need surgery

some of these children have been found defending themselves for weeks because mum left $50 and see you later note

when these kids turn 18, the government says goodbye. i have seen young adults leave the hostel on their birthday with a plastic bag

the truth of the matter is, many of these children and young adults end up in detention centres, prison, drug addicts, mental and physical health problems
or suicide another sad truth is many of the girls have babies themselves, only for them to be removed and become wards of the state, and on it goes

re reading this thread, self control seems to be joking, (especially the last few posts)so maybe this thread was done to feed self controls funny bone

 

The original idea of this post gives me chills. It sounds like one of Mengele's experiments. And the second part, the organization part, sounds like Big Brother. So no, not for me thanks. As long as women are the ones getting pregnant, there will be abortions, and that's a fact. The point is they should receive health assistance in doing it. And, personally, I don't think a fetus is a living being, it will be whenever the woman decides to go on with her pregnancy.

 

Wow, well fucking done. If you hadn't already shown yourself to be the absolute epitome of knuckle-dragging angst-ridden misogyny with pretty much every post you've ever made you might have been able to make a valid argument, but since you posted it in such an irrationally aggressive fashion - who the fuck do you think you are to announce, on a forum, that "there is no discussion"?! - I doubt anyone's going to be giving a shit whether you approve of people's interest in "fanciful technology" (that actually isn't really that fanciful at all).

I know this is carrying over from another thread, but Jesus, how dare you piss and whine about people not taking anti-male bias seriously when you behave like this?

 

wow, agreed! You obviously know a lot about the system! I was in the foster system and lived in group homes, and this is all very true. Far too many times there are foster parents who are only in it for the money and end up being horrible, abusive people. Group homes are almost always understaffed and don't have enough funds. Foster kids usually end up angry and hateful by the time they get out. I've seen so many of my graduating class become either in jail, pregnant, or both.