The Solution to the Abortion Issue

Rock on OlderWater you took the words right outta my mouth.

 

I understand your point but for the sake of opinon I'll state what I've already stated. How do you know they don't????
Peace an' love

 

i agree with that right on. until people who are protesting abortion decide that they are going to adopt a child that would have otherwise been aborted, i dont think that "pro-life" is a cause i can support.
and you are absolutley right- not all pregnancies are "welcome" and by welcome i mean that the woman could have been raped. while i guess i could be called "pro-life" i think that if you simply feel like messing around and you do get pregnant, it's your responsibility to have the child, and i dont see that in a political way, but in a "moral" way. the government has no right to say what you can and cant do with your own body, so in that sense i'm "pro-choice"...but every situation is different and the mother and father are different so there can't be a catch-all solution unless everyone thinks the same...and who would want that?

 

what if someone was raped? then what? do you think that they should have to have the child even though the pregnancy wasn't with their consent?

 

Rape is not an easy thing to deal with, it sounds like you have a very strong and wonderful mother.

 

Personally I can't begin to say what the correct path should be when it comes to rape.
I still feel that it is wrong to abort any child but at the same time I feel for the mother who of course would feel that the child shouldn't even be hers to begin with.

 

this proves that you are not interested in the rights of the unborn

if their desire is to remain unborn

typical xtian hypocrisy

[kill a doctor to save an egg]

the sooner humans evolve beyond their petty god fetishes the better off we will all be

 

Well I'm not a Christian, so that's retarded enough, and I really think the argument you're making is pathetic and ridiculous.

 

What do you mean? I said how I know. I live, I do things and feel things, I respond to my life as I am living it. Foetuses just float there. I don't know that they don't have life flowing through them, but since you said they have "as much as I do", it's irrelevant. My life is far far richer than any life someone can live within a womb.

The life of the mother is more important than that of her child. Animals know this much, which is why a mother will eat her young rather than starve to death, knowing that neither will survive otherwise. The mother is not burdened by conscience or weakness or morals that would allow her to die a noble, pointless death alongside her mewling blind offspring.

That, to me, is the point. You can say that the foetus has life coursing through it, but I don't care. To me, it's about value, and about making a decision which, yes, is very hard to make. I don't need a position on this because I'm unlikely to get pregnant, but even if I were to, I would want the freedom to make that choice when I knew my situation, mindset etc., rather than have someone else decide it for me without knowing it.

Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion, as I'm sure you've been told. Your "how do you know they're not alive?" argument... I mean, if you're basing it on uncertainty, rather than evidence, the logical thing to do is keep it open, to allow people to choose based on their own beliefs. If we could prove God didn't exist, we'd be mad to believe in him. If we could prove he did, we'd be mad not to. But if we can only prove that he might exist, we can't preach either way. Same with abortion. The fact that I can't prove something isn't true doesn't mean that it is, just that it should be taken into consideration in the absence of anything more definite.

 

*Sigh*
No. Abortion should not be illegal until a fetus can safely be removed alive from the woman. That can happen if we DEMAND attention to paid to such a procedure. That would make the tired old pro-choice "coat-hanger" talking point thankfully moot!

And obvoulsy no woman would be saddled with a bunch of screaming kids if an organization was raising them instead of her. She doesn't want the kid, remember?

 

alright I see your point man. An' even tho' it pains me to say it I agree. People should be aloud to make their own decisions. I just don't understand why innocent lives that have yet to be lived have to die to make those decisions. We live in a hypocritical, decaying, wasted form of society. Untill we can fix our problems I suppose that we'll have to keep doin' what we're doin' to get by.

 

Over population is a very serious problem. I am pro choice but i would never have an abortion.i think it is horrible. if you have sex you take the chances of getting preggo. thats why we fuck, to reproduce

women that are not ready to be mothers can either abort, raise it and be a shitty mom, or adopt the baby out. Adoption is a very noble choice.

i had a friend who had an abortion, i tried to talk her out of it. she wouldnt so i supported her. but it was terrible. i think iw as more upset then she was.

 

Adoption is indeed a very noble choice. I think the problem is that, once they're brought the child to term, it's a lot harder to "get rid of" in any sense. I guess some people would have us believe that, once the child's brought to term, if the mother doesn't want to get rid of them, this somehow proves that they should keep it. But the reasons why someone would not want a child are not always the selfish or careless reasons that are often cited (a lot of people seriously think abortion is routinely used as a substitute for contraception). If someone does not want to keep their child because they cannot afford to, or because they are otherwise unable to look after it, the fact that they might be unwilling to give it up once they're "bonded" with it does not necessarily over-turn that.

I think there's a tendency for pro-lifers to focus on the selfish or negative reasons why someone chooses to abort. I believe that often it is more positive to admit that you have a weakness, that you would be unable to give the child up if you brought it to term, than to go through a pregnancy and then realise six months into the kid's life that you really can't afford to keep it.

 

Adoption a noble choice? Are you aware of the fact that thousands of unwanted children sit in orphanages neglected? Neglection at such a young age could emotional break someone. I used to work for a nonprofit organization that provided services for orphans. It wasn't a happy sight all of the time. I would abort instead of putting a child through a lot of emotional bullshit. I think it is more humane in the long run. Also, I'm not saying all adoptions are like this, but if you don't find someone to adopt your baby, then the chances of him/her growing in an orphanage is rather high.

Also, the procedure of an abortion is safer than having a child for some women. Doctors who perform abortions are here to help a woman. How on earth can someone tell a woman that she is not aloud to decide what is best for her body?

 

I was under the impression that there were more adopters than orphans. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

there are more white adopters than white orphans

in amerikkka that is what matters

 

In America it matters... What about in England, Ukraine, Germany, Russia, China, Japan. Does it not matter in those places? I wouldn't know but I hope that it does. A child's life should be cherished by all.

 

I wasn't particularly talking about America, to be honest. I'm also finding your contributions to this thread rather bewildering.

 

i have no problem with bewildering

frankly i did not know that people in the rest of the world were as idiotic about the rights of embryos as they are here

oh well

 

"The rights of embryos" aren't the same everywhere, so I don't think it has anything to do with being "idiotic". Enjoy your aloofness, I guess.