The Solution to the Abortion Issue

Did you stop to ask WHY those institutions fail? No, you didn't. That's my point, we must concentrate on fixing THAT problem. And again, this institution must NOT be funded by the government. It must be paid for by the sale of a sponsor(s) product. Therin lies the game!

 

More like an episode of Star Trek. You know, a hopeful future!

 

Well, that's fine, because I don't really care what your version of feasability is! You sound seriously jaded, and unwilling to take a bold step out of your comfort zone that could improve life FOR ALL, adult and unborn. We don't have all the answers yet, but that does NOT make my idea impossible. I'm trying to shift the abortion debate, instead of sitting in a trench fighting for one side or the other in an endless fight like most others are. NEITHER side has the moral high ground. I believe the AW way is the only way to take it.

 

I think the problem is not the technology, but the will to do it. Who would want to grow up without parents? Would the agency "own" the children? It's difficult to imagine people going for this, or, for that matter, whether women would be more likely to put a child up for adoption purely because it was removed by caesarian section during pregnancy rather than brought to term. Maybe it's more convenient for her... but on the other hand, it involves surgery which is more risky, and frankly doesn't seem worth the hassle.

I do agree that abortion is to some degree "midiscussed" - that pro-choicers end up having to use the example of rape victims to defend their viewpoint against the utterly repugnant view held by way too many people that people who abort do so callously and regularly because they "can't keep their legs shut for five minutes". Such views should be dismissed off-hand rather than given credence by virtue of serious discussion, but hey, we're stuck with it.

 

You bring up excellent and fair questions. First, removing a fetus/embryo from the mother is a matter of making sure the fetus can survive the the window of time between the mother's womb and the AW. The mother must be cared for as in any surgical procedure. As for the agency in charge of raising these kids, I admit it would be nothing short of the creation of a new society. People would enter this agency for life, and they would have to be RIGOROUSLY checked out and evaluated for good character. The beauty of this is that people of good character would thrive and multiply in this environment, changing society as we know it forever. It would be an elite unlike anything previously seen. The whole agency would be funded by sponsors, a business arrangement.

 

Well, that's the heart of the matter. I don't believe we have to be stuck in this debate forever. What I'm talking about sounds far-fetched because people are too used to one train of thought, and society has worn down their initiative to push for radical change. But as always, money makes the wheels of human advancment go round, and if AW's can be funded to MAKE money, it should happen in due course.

 

1: I respect your views but I must throw a wrench into your tirade. I am adopted. An' in my opinion it was the best thing that could've ever happened to me. Try having a birth mom who had the mental capacity of a 12 yr old at 18. Try to picture how most (if not all) 12 yr old girls treat their precious dollies. Not too nicely when they get angry. Try being too afraid to cry because if you did your mom would either squeeze you untill you couldn't breath which at one point resulted in broken ribs, or picked you up by your feet an' slammed you against a bed post untill you stopped. Try that before you go an' diss adoption! If it weren't for my adoptive parents I wouldn't be around today. Or if I was I'd have some kinda mental problem too. Not too mention all the physical problems I have from living in a house full of smokers till I was five. ( I smoke myself which I kick my mental ass every day for doing so but the addiction is sooo strong) An' yes while many involved in adoption experiance the many faces of mortal pain there are also many good things that come from it. Many wonderful things if you know how to look at it.

2. Once again I respect your views but... HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT AN UNBORN BABY IS NOT AS ALIVE AS YOU AN' ME??!!!
Do you remember what it was like for you in the womb? Do you recall sitting in there an' thinking? No... but that doesn't mean that you didn't. If you don't want a child don't go off an' take the risk. Don't be dumb with your body. Sex can an' should wait till you are either ready to take responsibility for your actions or till you can honestly say that you're "protected enough" I wear at least 3 condoms every time I go an' "do it" Just to try my hardest to ensure there is no future child, at least not till I'm ready for one. an' I pull out before I go just encase the condoms don't work. It's called playing smart. It's called living wisly. Maybe you should add that to your list of morality version before you kill something that most likely has as much life flowing through it as you or I.

 

not a problem. I am so tired of all these conservative fundies whining and trying to take away our rights. Excuse me, but there is no way I'm having a kid. And there is no way I'm going to stop having sex. I use condoms, but should they ever fail I'm certainly not going to let that ruin my life.

 

Alright, let me take this "bold" step out and be one of those women crawling in screaming kids, her private life and independence stripped from her as well as her dignity.
Improve life for all? if abortion was illegal, we're gonna have a bunch of girls shoving hangers up their cooch, or a bunch of women who's life was destroyed because now she has two screaming kids to take care of.

 

soylent embryo

 

First off, sex is a beautiful thing, and not something I'm about to stop. I use condoms and I'm fine. But what if that condom were to break? Oh well, I'm doomed to 18 years of slave / mother hood.
Three condoms? Dumbass, that's how you make them rip. More is not better. Did you take sex ed at all in school? Like I said before, sex is a wonderful experience, one I'm not going to give up simply because some whiny conservative fundies are pushing their morals on me.
And as for adoption, your story may be all flowers and rainbow, but you're lucky they didn't throw your ass in group homes like me. Then you'll see how wonderful the system is.

 

I guess you'd have to look into the cost of a caesarian and extrapolate it out to the whole population. I know you'll think I'm getting bogged down in petty matters, but I don't really see why anyone would want to do this. You're saying this is a way towards "human advancement": how does this advance humanity? At best it keeps us in roughly the same place as we are now, at far greater cost, and with only a minor benefit to a few people's consciences. Unless I'm missing something, that is.

I think we've established that some people have had good experiences of adoption and others bad. I don't see how this impacts on the issue. Adoption might not be awful, but does that mean it's preferable to being raised by one's own parents?

 

my mother told me once that she would have had an abortion [me] if they had been legal

i told her that i wished she would have anyways

[for what it's worth]

 

Re this, even if you say that embryos are alive, how can you say they have "as much life flowing through them as you or I"? They're dependent on their parent for everything. I think I have a bit more life flowing through me than that.

 

Charming.

All I've ever seen in any abortion debate is evidence that people have a lot of different experiences of pregnancy and childbirth. In your case, you wouldn't have lived if she'd aborted you, and you apparently think she should have. If she had, you wouldn't know either way, so she'd never know whether you would have valued the life she withheld from you.

All I'm seeing here is that there are some interesting questions posed by the situation. None of them actually point to a "solution".

 

did she ever consider whether or not i actually wanted to live?

considering that she abandoned me shortly after i was born

 

The simple Solution to the Abortion Issue?
Don't have sex unless you're ready to have a family!

 

i do not see what all the excitement is

probably most of you antichoicers eat meat

people are cows with different heads and less stomachs

fucking cannibals

 

Does it matter? You're here now, you can either whine about being born or just accept it. No-one asks to be born, doesn't mean everyone complains about it well into their 40s.

 

I never said sex wasn't beautiful. An' yes I did have sex ed. But I don't typically have to worry about condom breakage due to my "heritage". An' I kinda understand about the homes. I need to do some studying to understand them a lil more. I'm sorry that the system treated you like shit. Guess some the system decides to help while others it destroys. Damned government bastards....
Peace, love, an' freedom