the sex before mariage.

Excellent point! The Bible says our conscience is a good helper, as even those "alienated from God" (of the Bible) can act in a good and just way according to their conscience, thus "demonstrating the matter of the law to be written in their hearts".

It must be added, too, that for those Christians who want to be "in communion" with the God of the Bible, their idea of "sin" (and their internall feeling, as well) cannot be formed apart from what this book has to say on the matter in question.
A good illustration can make it easier to understand. If we illustrate marriage with a contract (which it IS, in a sense), then you can easily see, that one is not entitled to any goods provided thereby, before one sign the contract... Will you sign it or decline it? The decision is yours; but the contract is valid only on being signed. When you sign it, you "pay" with your promises (which God trusts) and in return you get all the blessings of marriage.

***In this regard, it is interesting to notice, that even civil regulations of all the nations regard only officially registered marriages as such, all the parental responsibilities and heritage and other legal issues being handled accordingly.***

Accordingly, before one should commit himself to being a Christian, one needs to get a thorough understanding of God's reasons and standards (aka "his will"); otherwise, how can one willingly commit himself to doing God's will?
You see, without such prior knowledge it will always be "why does the Bible forbid me do this?!", or "I don't see why I should agree when the Bible calls it a sin".
The God of the Bible is just and merciful, the God of truth he calls himself; so I doubt it he will take seriously anybody's commitment to "doing God's will", unless that one should willingly commit himself to it in full knowledge.

Back to the point: calm conscience, self respect, good health and good relations, trust in one another -- these are the benefits of keeping God's regulations regarding sex and marriage. Family happiness is one of the toughest issues of our times, and trying to apply God's standards here is just like trying to use the manufacturer's manual.

 

I have allways been agree that sin is untrue. Sex is love... and a girl has to be free to take her own decitions. Having kids is another question. The most important is to be loved. Take care of yourself. Old Hippie William. I had sex at 14 and I allways read before to discover by myself, anyway I was surprised.

 

Well, you're not alone in thinking that the concept of "sin" is not true. Does this solve the problem? Not at all. Many agree, that our human tendency to doubt, regret, feel remorse, pain and repentance over our past deeds -- even though feeling 100% sure at the time of acting -- is like a dent in a perfect human cast. That is why many agree with the Bible concept of "sin", which translates as our inability to meet God's requirements in all we do. SIN is a dent in our present human cast -- whether you believe it or not.

Is not most pain and suffering of human heart concerned with love affairs and sex? Be honest with yourself: you cannot eliminate these by merely denying them. It is like a disease: you cannot conquer one by merely denying the fact.
So, for us Christians it is essential to take heed of what the Bible says on that.

You are right! Even the Bible says that "love covers multitude of sins"; however, sin is not only a matter of our personal decision. It is important that we obey what our God says to us -- and what he says is ALWAYS to our benefit, visible, or not so obvious at present.
Just consider some statistics: most problematic teenagers, or dangerous criminals, and the like -- come from single parent families, or from families without proper comunication between parents and kids. Would that be avoided if their parents had followed God's commandment to have sex only in marriage?

 

One phrase: LOVE IS FREE

 

I don't agree with it, partly because if you got married and THEN had sex, if he/she was horrible, and divorce is (i think) supposed to be a sin, you're gonna be stuck.

Also, I like sex, and don't plan to get married, but I do plan to stay in a VERY long-term relationship. ...I pretty much abandoned religion a while ago though, so I don't "count"

 

Horrible at sex, or a horrible person?

Would you want to divorce someone (in a hypothetical marriage) beacuse they could not cook your favourite meal?

Sex and marriage should be a little bit of work. That is not to say that sex can't be/shouldn't be spontaneous or easy for some people, but if you run into a problem in a relationship, it will be work. Divorce is an easy exit strategy, I think, for many people. Yes, in some cases (infidelity, abuse, lovelessness,sexual orientation) it is warrented. I use the example of lovelessness hesitantly however. Sometimes it is work to fall back into love. If you feel like you are in a rut with someone, you need to communicate and talk about it. What about your life, or your sex life is making you feel bored? Is it the routine? Is it stress from somewhere else?

Some people maybe need a third person to keep things interesting (a mutual third person). Some need toys...etc

 

adam and eve where not married.

 

LOL! Well, they were -- especially in God's eyes. Remember, he created Eve to be Adam's wife.
But now, when there are many men and women to choose from, the story is different.

 

And WHO gave you this ability to love? Who gave you life?
I mean, as this thread is "for Christians only", I'm talking in the terms of the faith in God of the Bible. He's the owner of everythings by the right of the Creator. He's given us things to use and is quite patient with us humans.
Then he's given us what is known as "commandments" -- these are his principles we need to follow. If we don't , then we have problems. But more important is, that in such case we disrespect God's rulership -- and that is serious. And sex is just one of the spheres, where neglecting God's commandments brings especially bitter results, just as many have learned the hard way.

Again, I'm not going dogmatic. I'm just reasoning within the bonds of the Christian teaching, which naturally has some bonds to it. That is, for example, you can't be a budhist and still remain a Christian in the true meaning of it.

 

Sex before marriage, pre-marital experience, assuming one is talking of sexual intercourse or perversion of the same, the word of God implies it all by calling it fornication. It knows no exception. It allows none. Renaming fornication does not change the act or remove the consequence. Those who commit fornication, sin.

This message, like all other true Bible messages, is designed both for believers and disbelievers. "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17, so the purpose of the Bible revelation is to create believers of those who would learn. The fact that premarital sex, fornication, homosexuality, are laughed at by the world should be of little consequence to one who seeks for truth, or to one who believes the truth. It is the truth that shall make you free (John 8:32). Now let's consider briefly the question of fornication, or pre-marital sex. Fornication is a sin against God. Sin is transgression of the law of God (I John 3:4). It is to go against, or across, what God has revealed. So if one believes God and would follow His word, he must stand on the simple conviction that fornication is wrong. Consider what the word says. "Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled, but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" Hebrews 13:4. In the Bible, a prostitute, a harlot, a whore, were all guilty of the same thing- fornication. One may prostitute himself for any kind of gain, not just money. It may be the pride of continued association, or perhaps a weekend all-expense trip paid to a neighboring city. Prostitutes, street walkers, call girls, those who dwell in plush penthouses, all have one thing in common: they commit fornication. It is a sin against God, against His will, His word and His way. Judgement will fall on those who are guilty of fornication and who fail to turn in repentance.

Paul writes in I Corinthians 6:9-11, "Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God". You say, "What am I to do then? For I am guilty." Read the next verse, "But such were some of you". According to Acts 18:8, "And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized". The guilty Corinthians were forgiven, redeemded.

Fornication is a sin against the other person involved. It is always a mutual sin engaged in by two or more. Involving others in your own sin, You sin against them. If your convictions had been strong perhaps they would have been encouraged to do right. The sin, the shame, the wrong is shared by both. For this reason Paul writes in I Corinthians 7:2, "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife and every woman have her own husband". Temptation is not a sin fornication is.

Fornication is a sin against oneself. Paul said, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body" I Corinthians 6:18. The body of the believer belongs to God. He has been bought with a price and is to glorify God while in the flesh. All of this is clearly taught in this chapter. Fornication is generally committed. in private. This leads one to believe that, since no one knows, or since the act was committed with a prostitute or call girl, that the sin goes unnoticed and the consequences are allayed. This is just not so. Pre-marital sex? An effort to reach compatibility? An innocent game to play? Not according to the word. God says it is fornication, sin, and those who commit such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It is not sex which God condemns, but it's misuse outside the marriage bond.

My opinion is YES

God Bless
eace:

 

Well here's how it goes. Sex before marriage is most definitely considered as a sin in the Christian/Catholic commandments. The problem is they also don't allow birth control subjects like.. Condoms and such. Then they complain about young girls getting pregnant and stuff, we are all curious. We are human. We live life to make our own mistakes and we were given life to make more life. So... Why does it really matter that we do have sex before marriage? Some people are just smarter than other by using condoms or birth control things. Lol

 

So true!

The only problem is Love and Sex are not the same thing and thus you didn't answer the question.

 

I guess my question would be; if you've only had sex with one person in your whole life, how would you know if it was horrible or not?

 

Actually some believe the the joining of Adam and Eve together by God was the first marrage.

 

It would be interesting to see where in the Bible it says that birth control is forbidden. Could you please provide the scriptures?

But in any case, if the young girls you mention would abstain until marriage, I believe that would all but eliminate them "getting pregnant and stuff".

 

It's always been interesting to me that many "Christians" when asked a more or less religious question, respond with their own opinion, without seeming to give any consideration to what God, Christ or the Bible may say about the subject.

 

OlderWaterBrother. Seriously. Stfu and become a priest. Listen to the box outside and not the inside. If you wanna be a smart ass about things so can I. Where in that whole sentence did I say it was in the bible? Idiot. Just opening you're mouth to that made you look like an idiot.

But you're right. Birth control is NOT mentioned in the bible.

Read this before you open your mouth again and make yourself look stupid.

http://onebeggarsbread.blogspot.com/2005/12/birth-control-in-bible.html

 

sex is usually considered an expression of Love.

at least in the context of someone expressing concern at the whole "sex before marriage" idea.

so how is love free yet the expression of it is not?

 

I beg your pardon! Is this what you consider a good example of “Christian” dialog?

I believe if you reread what I said, you will find that not once did I say that you said it was in the Bible.

I merely said; It would be interesting to see where in the Bible it says that birth control is forbidden and then asked if you; Could you please provide the scriptures?


It seems like to me, a reasonable question to ask you, seeing as you are the one who brought up the subject of birth control.

 

It's nice to see that some still feel this way but in these days of free sex, sex is not often considered an expression of love.

A person is free to express love, it's just that sex outside of marriage is not expression of love but an expression of lust.