the salvia experience

I feel some of these effects. Actually, just the tugging sensations on your body. As for everything else, that's new to me. Salvia effects everyone differently.

 

My experience on salvia was that space and time collapsed, my sense of self dissolved, and the Universe over my left shoulder disappeared completely. I took one big fat hit from my waterpipe. I exhaled. I felt really light and lifted in my chest. I had time to think, "this is gonna be o.k." and reach for my drink, only when I reached forward my arm elongated. This made me sit back into the couch. The rest is a blur, I was very introspective and VERY aware that time is an illusion, space is rushing away in every direction. There was a vortex of sorts (not visually mind you, but a physical sensation) in the center of the room, pulling me towards it (much like the episode of the Simpson's where Homer goes behind the book case and ends up in the Tron-esque world that collapses on itself.) Something was whooshing across my face, prohibiting speech. I could see after a time (I guess it was a time) that my friend was coming down, although when I tried to ask her how long it had been and if she was having these incredible ideas/sensations/whatever all I could do was laugh. I was sure I too would come down again. According to our sitter it was 15 minutes from inhalation to coherence. Then we all talked and talked about our experiences and felt oooshygooshy for about an hour...but for at least the next week I would peer back over my left shoulder to make sure the Universe was still there.

 

alright im gunna tell you guys about my first trip...
I was in my friends car along with 2 of my buddys. we loaded 25x in my friends foot tall bong. I filled the bowl as fat as i could and got my torch lighter ready. of course like everyone i ripped it as hard as i could not knowing what the hell would happen. i held my hit for about 15 seconds and as soon as i blew my hit out i felt this weird feeling like something was pushing on all parts of my body. Next, i looked at the lights from the consol in the middle of my friends car and they started spinning uncontrollably. from there i entered something i thought a person could never experience. all i could see was the pattern of the car between the front and back window repeating itself. As it repeated itself i felt as if it was pulling me with it and flipping me around each time. the next thing i remember is looking at my friends face who was laughing at me (not a good thing to do). His face started turning really plump and red and turned into some shape i cant even describe. I thought he was trying to kill me and there was nothing i could do to prevent it. i remember saying in my trip please stop your trying to kill me. At this time i think my friend started his car and started driving because my trip took a whole different turn. i felt like i was getting pulled along a track floating in mid air. as i tried to look around the track everything seemed like from a different planet yet cartoonish at the same time. it was kind of like one of those rides at disney world or something where your on a slow moving cart moving through different rooms of scenery. except this ride was in mid air and in a different universe. soon everything just turned into a mass of swirls and colors and my friends face appeared in front of me again laughing. I was completely convinced during this part of my trip that this was reality and what my life was before and what ever i knew before was all fake and unreal. i felt like i was still on the track which was repeating itself over and over but i couldn't make out anything else that was happening. Then i snapped out of it. everything kind of swirled the opposite way that it did when i started my trip and the floor board was the first thing i remember seeing. I yelled at my friend to "stop the fucking car right now!... what the fuck just happened!". He stopped the car for a second and in to my trip i went again. This time i just kind of blacked out because i dont remember the rest of my trip. The next thing i remember is everything turning back to normal in an instant and my friends telling me i had to get out of the car right now. i looked around and realized we were in front of my house. At first i refused to get out the car.. i was trying to comprehend what the fuck just happened to me. oh and did i mention the music playing on his radio the whole time sounded like some little kids singing a disney song or something.. but something about their voices made me think it was evil.

To be honest, during the whole trip i was scared out of my fucking mind and thought i was going to be stuck in that world for eternity. I was more than relieved to be back on earth in my own conscious mind.

alright well that was my trip as best as i could remember it let me know what yall think

 

Typical (but really intense) salvia trip.

BTW, how did you experience the "cartoonish" impression. I've had these kinds of experiences, but it's more like a feeling rather than a hallucination. I suddenly feel like I'm in lunitoons land.

 

The cartoonish impression was actually more of a feeling for me too. At one point everything turned into lego patterns but i dont actually remember any cartoon visuals besides for around my friends face when he was laughing at me.

 

Hello. I havent posted on this forum for ages and I only found this thread by googling 'fake life show reveal salvia'. Brilliant!
I've smoked salvia a fair few times before last Friday, but I always took it as just a funny sort of trippy drug, the kind you do every now and again to freak youself out a bit. I'd end up being in a world that would turn into triangles, or would sort of flicker like a broken television does, or just go a bit wobbly for a minute or two. Otherwise I never got much of it.
I gave a friend of mine (Beth's her name) her first salvia trip last summer, n helped her as a guide the two times afterwards. I got very fascinated because she talked about reaching a split in reality where one was the one she presently found herself in, and another where there was just a void (black and white sort of thing). It sounded a lot more hardcore than any salvia trip I had, so after her first trip I incessently tried to attain the same level as she continously did.
I'm pretty sure Salvia was not allowing me to smoke her, because every time I tried to take a hit of my bong, or a self-made bong, it wouldn't burn! But I'd give it to Beth and she'd smoke it perfectly. But last Friday was apparently the right day because it smoked beautifully and I didn't cough out once.

What happened next is very much like Friggin Joe described. Beth became this cartoony character (she was sitting right in front of me as I tripped), but more like a person in a cartoon costume (like on Disney Channel). I found myself engulfed in this duvet-like material, and it stretched in a tube-shape through time, all through my life. Now she Beth took my head and, telepathecally, she revealed to me that reality was completely fake.

The sense of dread, loss and sadness is indescribable. No mdma come-down or acid trip has convinced me so much that all of it was 100% real. I was about to be pushed in the void, the great chaos where nothing means anything and nothing has any value. Telepathecally I went "But what about....." trying to argue my way back to the fact the my life was real. "Ah...fuck!" I said as I realised that that particular line of argument (whatever it was, at this point concept were as vague as the trip was real). I repeated those two sentences over and over, until I finally accepted that this was it and my reality was about to be dissolved forever. I started mumbling something that would, in normal language, be something like "Well, you gotta admit, it was pretty convincing." To which Beth nodded and smiled apologetically...this sort of casual mumbling continued until I found myself in a 'normal' Salvia trip, got up and ran back home. When I got there I cried my heart out like I've never done before and swore never to smoke salvia again (not so sure about that one....we'll see)

The thing is, I havent quite shaken this feeling off me, that reality is fake and that it's all a joke. There was a lot of aggressiveness and a complete lack of empathy in the way that Beth was going to reveal to me that everything was fake and I was about to experience spiritual death (by the way, she said nothing and didn't move during this whole trip, just watched me). I'm currently finding myself a bit distressed. I left the spot where I tripped with a sense of wanting to protect people and take care of them, to give them what little empathy can be given in a unsympathetic universe. At that point were reality ended there was nothing for me to grasp. Even concepts such as good and evil were obscene. God and the Devil were equally worthless at this border. So when I ended my trip completely I coud not help, and still not help, but feeling pretty alone, betrayed and scared. It feels that whatever I endavour to do here in life, there's just some cruel hoax laughing behind the scenery.

I would really like to experienment more with salvia but at this point I needed to sort my head out a bit first. I guess all I can say is that Salvia is definitely an amazing, incredbly eye-opening thing, but it's pretty damn destructive as well, more so than any other psychedelic I've ever taken. I don't think anything in my life prepared me for that one trip.

Crazy tripped-out druggie after-realisations - Me and Beth chatted about my trip in great length afterwards. One thing that came out of it was the idea of the Trickster god. He's a character that is present in most old polythestic religions, and also the oldest type of God in recorded history. He's mainly found in Native American and African belief-systems. He's a malicious type that plays tricks on all creatues (sometime just pranks, others that end in death and destruction) at every turn. He's not 'evil' as such (this dualistic view of the world is a fairly new one in religion). Tricking people is his 'existence', he cannot help but do it. In fact he often ends up tricking or hurting himself. He is in a way 'beyond' any concept of gods - he is the creator but also the destroyed. The end of this article (which I incidentally just found, gotta love Google) explains it pretty well - http://www.dmuuc.org/lay/Power-of-Myth.html
My conclusion from this idea is that Beth became the personification of Trickster who attempted to show me what lies beyond reality, the true state of things, which horrified me beyond any imaginable belief. I kinda wished I had gone into the void now, but I'm still pretty afraid to go through all that again in case I pop out of existence. Has anyone had similar symbolic experience of the void? And if so, did you go through, and what did you see there?

Another, pretty trivial realisation (but one that's getting me down at the moment), would be this - nothing that you ever endeavour to do will ever matter, because, above the stars, God and the Devil are equal, and their struggle is a mere child play. So, in any way you can, focus on giving your own life the meaning you want, and fuck all the rest. (this is all pretty cynical, which is why it's getting me down - how do you find meaning in a world of chaos?)

 

Great post. Ahem.. now for that line.. Salvia is not a party drug.
Yeah there sure is a feeling or worse yet realization about life of "it was a joke" or "fake" but there may very well be one or more other reasons involved with why we feel that.
Like who or what is this "god?"
Do any of us have any true evidence the universe isn't our own, and it cannot be larger than our perception of it? Is your conscious really much bigger than you as you know yourself? Hell Salvia can make you think and feel like you're a park bench or some other non-living object. I thought I was an object for sale on the top shelf in an outdoor market. The stuff is taking our conscious up and away and it can seemingly be planted elsewhere. Associating with objects of all sizes and shapes, and feeling as if we're transformed into them, or have always been them. This is a pretty common occurrence. Unnerving but interesting.

The experience has raised many questions about life, and the importance of it and the events that occur. However, I am somehow feeling life as we know it is MORE important as opposed to feeling it's more trivial, which is what I'd have expected to think.

The odd part to me is even the first experience I had, it was 1) FAMILIAR. Like I remembered.. "oh yeah.. shit..." and 2) more real than what I've come to know as real.

And hey, not all trips go the same, but knowing each salvia session can go there, quite daunting to say the least.
You may end up having fun sometimes, it may be minor some other times, but once salvia REALLY pulls you in, there is frickin' nothing like it.

 

If you really want to shake that feeling of "life being a joke", you could read my brain theory above (3rd post of this thread - you'll see the pretty pictures ). It might give you a feel for what's going on in your brain that will make it seem more down-to-earth (but I totally understand if it doesn't shake the feeling completely - these experiences are powerful).

Something else you can do is try to reach those more comfortable levels, the ones that didn't feel so overwelming. I find that at those levels, a whole flood of memories from other salvia sessions come rushing back. You don't get thrown into the full experience (so it's not as scary) but you do remember a lot from them which can help you integrate those experiences back into your ordinary life and make more sense out of them.

I know how you feel - there's always that feeling that "this is it - I'm never gonna return"... but then I always do return. If you're religious, then you can hold onto some faith that God would not let that happen. I always tell myself this. I tell myself, I live in a mechanical, law-governed universe, and that seems to be the way God wants to keep it. He's not going to let me experience anything supernatural just because I smoked such-and-such drug. Of course, you actually do experience supernatural things (or at least, things that can't be explained naturally), but it seems that so long as this can be explained away as "just experiences" induced by drugs, it is permitted. Nothing I've ever experienced on drugs has ever permanently altered my reality (my views on reality, however, are a whole other matter).

 

gibb 0101

your posts have really helped me actually understand things more.

my first trip on miss sally wasn't very intense.
i did feel the tugging and laughing but it wasn't enough for me to call it a trip.
not until i did the second one.

i had gotten some 10x from a headshop
and headed to my friends house to go try it again.
i smoked a very small bowl, held it in 30 seeconds, and again only felt the uncontrolling laughing.
i waited about 10 minutes to smoke again
i took a whole nother bowl and felt this very, very strong force sucking/ tackling me down into this ,again, laughter. but i stopped immeadately after i realized.
"what is this?" "what am i?" "what is this place"
i got into that, everything seemed unfamiliar state.
i had to get up because it frightened me for a second, i felt like i had to get in tacked with reality quick,
so i stood up from the bed i was sitting on and felt like my legs were stretching. i lookekd down and it looked like i was at least 12 ft tall. i started to laugh again, thinking, "wtf me tall?"

i looked over at my friends sitting on the other side and they looked still, i couldn't see any facial expressions on them, as if time had stopped.
they reminded me of mannequins but i could hear them asking if i was okay. it seemed like they asked telepathically, i could hear them in my head.

i felt like running so i ran downstairs, thing is my legs are still feeling really long so i'm trying to "balance" and i'm walking kinda bow-legged because of this and i walk like this all the way until i get outside.
i layed down on the grass and looked at the sky which had this ripple affect, it started fading away, and i could tell because i felt like me again.
like anabel.

this was a bit of a breathrough but i yet to try again.
i'm gonna work on getting a stronger extract.
but i thought that this trip was the start of many.

 

You'll probably get better results no matter what extract you use. (for most) It works better with time, it's the opposite of most drugs. instead of building tolerance you build the ability to be affected by less of it.
We're all different, but from my own experience and a few I've used it with, and reports on the web about it, it has a reverse tolerance.
I'd just use what you got. You can go overboard then scare yourself shitless possibly if you go too high.
A strong salvia trip is more like realizations than hallucinations, and the feeling you get that the trip is more real than your life ever was can be very unsettling to some.

edit: good time to post last night's trip.
I tried a method that had been recommended to me by a more experienced friend of mine. Worked very nicely for me.
Sipping wine (now she says it should be red wine of some sort, not white for whatever reason), and chewing one or two fresh leaves at a time, very slowly. I kept them in my mouth during a couple sips, then swallowed the leaf bits and ate another single or double leaf.
I ate 6 leaves total before I felt it coming on. I then kept one more leaf in my mouth, and chewed it as I felt it coming on, and lay in bed.
This was a very different experience than extracts for sure.
Suddenly I was either laying in bed or floating in the air face up. YES or NO was presented to me, not in words or visuals, but the idea. YES meant I was floating in the sky.
I went with YES. The YES and NO were very profound, and each had a big implication, so maybe I just capitalized it for that reason.

Anyway going with yes, I was extremely high up in the air, floating over a landscape with pyramids. The feeling was I was extremely high(lol) and
passing over hundreds of people building pyramids and other structures. Down there was barren, maybe rocky or brick, and perfectly 'clean' - flat barring the structures. Can't explain that one bit.

Obviously if I'm facing up it makes no sense as we know it to 'see' under me but I did.
The thing is as I passed these structures in progress, it felt like my spine connected to each one, and as I kept moving they tore apart, a sensation that felt like it should hurt, but didn't. It was like I felt connected to them then literally ripped apart from them yet there was no pain.

It was an awesome experience even if not all comfortable, and then suddenly I got the feeling of water. A ringing sound of sorts in my mind, but also the sound of ocean and that familiarity with the place that I can't put my finger on yet. From barren dry pyramids and structures with 'people' or something building to this water. I figured it out right away, it made perfect sense because... damn, I don't know.
I thought then "I bet I'm sweating pretty bad because of that water feeling" and then I realized I was stupid to say that, like I somehow did something wrong in assuming a physical queue brought on my trip, and felt ahsamed. LOL.
I actually wasn't sweating a bit. The bed under me felt hard, my senses were extremely heightened when I came about my usual senses. I felt like I woke out of a lucid dream and man did I wanna get back in. I didn't bother to try though, figured I'd quit while I was ahead and just meditate and think on the trip a few days.

 

It's some really interesting theory you got going mr. gib. But I'd like to ask you and everyone else here - biology and gods aside, what purpose does this feeling of "TA-DAAAAA, you fool!" have? Because it seem to me that that is what everyone gets if they hit the highest salvia trip. It unnerves me a bit how consistent salvia trips are and, reading on this forum the last couple of days, how consistent the psychedelic experience seems to be. Surely it points towards something extremely significant, if not about the nature of reality, then about the nature of human conciousness (which, I guess, wud mean both). As far as I know there isn't much other mythology or acient theories to point towards any sort of thing like that except the vague concept of a Trickster God that I gave above. I fondled the idea of the Matrix, the universe-machine, and so on, but I have had that on so many other psychedelic experiences.....Salvia seems beyond what is beyond the Matrix. The thing is, there seems to be too much intent in this ta-daaaa world, and I'm starting to think it has a lot more to do with the way we human beings are mentally (and spiritually?) constructed.
Unfortunately I'm a bit slow in my head today so I'll just chuck some ideas at you guys (apologise for my laziness):
Evolution? Maybe we're meant to feel like there is always something just around the corner more real than real so as to force us to evolve our way of thinking. The world of ta-daaaa intimidates us to shuffle up the evolutionary ladder as we seek to find this newer, more innocent reality.
Collective conciousness? Maybe it's a peak through time through the collective mind of our species (or of everything?), which would obviously seem more real than anything else (a salvia trip being the perception of everything as a whole rather than a watered-down version of our filtering senses).
Collective memory? Maybe there is something very important we have forgotten along the way, something we're suppose to do.

Gazing quickly over these points I realise that this is kinda what you realise on most psychedelic experiences. But christ, salvia is so convincing on a whole other level that I cannot help but think its trips hold more truth than any other psychedelica (but is there anything such as truer truths?)

Apologise if my ramblings are fucking about with people's heads, and if they do please do tell me so.

 

Good stuff, man.
It most certainly has a convincing element that can shake a person up.
Salvia is very different in that you'll commonly hear someone on psychedelics tell they how a new understanding of reality, or they can see it in a different perspective or somesuch...andthose are very big, important statements..yet with Salvia you'll hear *realizations* that we've been tricked into thinking this was real, or this is no more than a trivial puppetshow, etc.
It's more convincing than life ever was, and personally for me, when it hits I feel like I'm "back" to the real reality.
Somehow I feel better about this afterwards and not depressed. Go figure.

Salvia seems beyond what is beyond the Matrix.
I find how salvia can let you associate with being an object so absurd as a bench or a supermarket (seriously) kind of ties in with this. It truly feels like it pulls the conscious out of us, and puts it way the hell out/up there, or lets it rests somewhere else.
I have read a lot of reports on erowid and feel like there's a common link with salvia and the 'super-conscious' or the true collective we all belong to.

 

HEY!!! It's finally a stick! Yeah! Thanks relayer and salmon4me!

Yeah, I think you're right on with that one, PikeyPunk. It has to do with the way our consciousness is constructed. This is what I've gotten out of most psychedelics.

It's the idea that "realness" (if you can call it that) is in our conscious experiences, not outside it. You see, we in the western world think of this of the separation between perception and reality like this: reality is the outer world that's really there, yet it can't be seen directly. Perception, on the other hand, is "not real", yet it is necessarily seen all the time.

What psychedelics have taught me (especially salvia) is that this "realness" that the outer world supposedly has and our perceptions lack is really the other way around. "Realness" belongs to our perceptions. The things we perceive and our perception of them are one and the same. There are no two distinct things: reality and perception. It's more like one thing: reality/perception.

What this means, though, is that if your perceptions change, so will reality. Any change in perception, such as that brought on by drugs, will feel just as real as your ordinary sober perceptions of reality... but it's still on a personal basis - that is, it doesn't change for everybody, just you... which is why I think we each live at the center of our own realities. The mind is a "reality-generating" engine, not a "reality-perceiving" one.

 

Prior to my first real trip, I had tried smoking about 1 gram of dried leaf, which at most made me giddy and sleepy. The day after I brewed 1 cup of tea using about 1 gram of the dried leaf. I let the leaves soak it the water for about 7 minutes then finished the cup in about 15 minutes time. Every sip I took I help under my tongue for at least 1 minute before swallowing (this was to insure that I received the maximum possible effects). * Though the tea smells wonderful, it is by far the bitterest thing I have ever tasted, so I had to add a couple squirts of lemon juice and a spoonful of honey to make it drinkable.* About 10 minutes later I began feeling dreamy and at peace with everything. I had a strange urge to avoid talking and to be left alone. About 5 minutes later, my legs began feeling strange. It’s hard to explain, they weren’t weak or numb, it was like they just weren’t there, or I at least wasn’t aware of them. Each step I took felt as though I was blissfully floating along, yet I could walk just fine. Then the visual effect came. The only things I noticed were that it seemed that I could somehow see a lot better and notice things I didn’t normally notice, and that a majority of objects had a very small white aura around their edges. These effects lasted about 1.5 hours and then slowly began to diminish, leaving me with a very bad case of the munchies, and later in the day, tired. When I got home that night, I went into my room and played Brawl™ with my friend online for about 45 minutes. I did this mainly to give everyone in the house time to settle down and go to sleep. This way, it was less likely for someone to venture in on my trip and ruin it (plus, I would probably get my head screamed off). I then packed a pipe with about 1/10 of a gram of Salvia Divinorum 20x extract. I sat on my bed and lit up. I inhaled the smoke and held it in my lungs for about 10 seconds then exhaled. I immediately lit up again and inhaled a 2nd time, holding again for about 10 seconds until exhaling. Once again, I immediately lit up and inhaled as much as I could. This time, I laid the pipe down, closed my eyes, and lied down on the bed, holding the smoke until I couldn’t any longer. When I exhaled, I immediately felt this strange force pulling me towards the bed. I couldn’t fight it, nor did I want to. I was in a garden, a great garden with hedges and fountains. There were ladies in long skirts dancing in circles and singing merrily. All of a sudden, green beams shot out from under their skirts and formed a giant hedge in front of me. This made me giggle for some reason. I was giggling at pretty much everything that I saw, and I couldn’t control it. The hedge then rapidly morphed into an elongated ladybug which flew straight over my head. I could feel the wind as the ladybug flew over me. I snapped out of it and sat up. I opened my eyes and everything was wavy. With some trouble, I got up and walked around for a bit then sat back down and closed my eyes again, hoping that the effects would return. The realistic effects didn’t return, but I saw normal dreamlike images of 2 dragons blowing flames on a city and people running away. Once again I opened my eyes, and to my surprise, only about 15 minutes had passed. The effect died off and my vision became normal. I fell asleep with ease. Salvia Divinorum is a wonderful herb. It truly deserves to be a member of the sage family, and it effect can be mind altering in a very good way. I plan on experimenting more at a later time. (since i recorded this, ive had 2 more experiences)

 

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id like to mention something about smoking extracts.

the starter of this thread said half a bowl for "level one" trip


different quality can make that be way off. I currently have some 10x, "unstandardized". yet it is still very good quality and potent.

half a bowl would be far too much and be wasting it. sprinkling just enough for one hit at first, using a torch lighter and holding it to it the whole time and getting it all burnt up in one hit will easily have me at what was called "level two" in this thread if i hold it for around 30 seconds. if i can manage to put more into the bowl, or just have enough in there for around two hits (about 1/4 of the bowl and it is a smaller bowl) and can manage to get enough control to get that hit and hold it usually ill have a complete ego loss trip, full bowl intense close and open eye visuals and legit hallucinations and visions, auditory hallucinations, and extreme time distortion, where i will have peak effects for 5 to 10 minutes but it seems to me in my experience to last for hours

however, i have gotten "standardized" which was supposed to be much better quality, and it was 30x, i needed 3 huge hits held for as long as i possibly could to get the same effects, and the taste was horrible making it hard to take large hits

i have also had 15x that with one big enough hit held long enough i was able to get full blown trips as mentioned, but have had 45x that i needed a couple hits of

i just wanted to throw that in to anyone reading trying for their first time, because i feel that loading up too much can be wasteful, and with the way the cost is from alot of sources, the less you waste the better

 

Got...Got...Gotdayum! I am full on balls out tripping off this shit right about now. HIt me like a ton of bricks. It's an IMMEDIATE high, not like weed or x...Coming down as I post this, and this may be my fave new deal. Bought some online, still legal in my state, and took a few good tokes off a glass pipe. My neighbor smoked with me and I can't even really type now cuz I just wanna ride it. It's different from anything else. Course I've only done weed and x, but I am in awe of the experience. Pardon me for not being my usual eloquent and expressive self, but this shit is the TRUTH! Still got grams left to smoke, so I will holla back when I can give a more in depth review. WOW! It makes ya feel GOOOOOOOD!

 

You guys are amazing. what a great post. good work gib 0101. Do you guys ever make tinctures with your divi?