The psychic challenge

What can I say... I was raised in the western tradition (scientific rationalism).

...although, it depends on what you mean by "sacred".

 

sacred--as in holy. often spirit will communicate to you in whispers--thoughts will come 'into your head' seemingly out of no-where......that no-where is the 'sacred'-universal intelligence.

a book i love-conversations with god by neal walsh states that "fate" is really an acronym for From All Thoughts Everywhere

 

Do you suppose it could be the same person? I know someone who said she was visited by her late uncle who was an alcoholic and the smell of whisky filled the room when she sensed his presence.

Speaking of symbols, I had a dream last night. It pertains to this very discussion, I'm sure. I don't have time to write it out now, though, so I'll get back later.

 

OK, so here's the dream (this will be a long post, so bear with me):

First, I have to explain to you how AutoCAD works. It's the program I use at work to build 3D models of our buildings (sorry, Amber, cat's out of the bag). Here's am example of a condominium complex I just finished the other say:







You see that pinkish red path that goes around the perimeter? Well, I had a dream that I was toying with it in AutoCAD which looked like the following:







The first symbolism here might have something to do with my occupation being guessed at in this thread (not the most impressive symbol, but just wait). For some reason, I was trying my damnedest to put a door on the side of the path (it would just be a door sitting in the middle of the open space - no wall, no house, no chamber on the other side). No matter where I put it, it just didn't seem right to me. I tried rotating the model to see it at a different angle, I tried zooming in, I tried different spots along the path, but nothing satisfied.



Almost immediately, even in my dream, I sensed the symbolism here. The path is the spiritual path and I'm trying to open a door to it such that I can embark on it. I realize that it's not a matter of trying to find the door, but to create it (which may sound ironic since I'm looking for "proof", but you have to understand my spiritual views to make sense of this). In AutoCAD, you don't find things like doors or windows or walls - you create them. The problem with me is that I have too many restrictions on what counts as a good creation and what doesn't. Again, in AutoCAD, it's the same - you can't just whip up any old door - it has to fit into the doorway made for it, or fit flush on the path, etc. (there's all that geometry and math involved and if it isn't met, your model just won't fit together properly). This is true of me on a more abstract level too. I believe that reality is something to be created, not discovered (well, there is a discovery, that's God's part in the whole creation process), but being human, only certain kinds of beliefs, or beliefs that meet certain criteria, will pass. For example, there has to be some kind of rational backing it up. I can't just belief in the Tooth Fairy by waving a magic wand - I have to have a reason to believe. But insofar as that criterion goes, if I'm creative enough to come up with reasons, then there's no reason for me to hold back on using them.



It kind of reminded me of that scene in the Matrix (part II) where Neo is lead to a "secret hallway" of doors. That is, he opens a door from an otherwise ordinary room and finds himself in a hallway with many doors, each leading to somewhere totally remote in the world. The dude who was guiding him said that this hall was secret and only those with privileged knowledge could walk through it, people like programs or other beings plugged into the Matrix and privy to it. Because each door could potentially lead to a whole other world, this is very much in agreement with my spiritual beliefs (I believe in multiple realities and the ability to switch from one to the other... kind of like what zengizmo was getting at).



The second bit of symbolism was this:



Have you ever felt physically ill or uncomfortable somewhere in your body, but because you were half asleep, twisting and turning, you couldn't quite put your finger on what was wrong with you? I mean, sometimes I have an upset stomach, but rather than recognize it and take the proper course of action, I dream that I'm struggling with some task or puzzle, and I just can't get it right (primarily because solving the puzzle doesn't actual make the stomach ache go away... but I don't realize this). Anyway, this door problem was an example of this. I have a condition where gas builds up in my esophagus and creates pressure. For some reason, I can't belch when I'm laying down, at least not naturally - instead I either have to force it out or sit up straight. Either way, the gas burns as it's coming out because of build up of stomach acid fumes (I know, it's gross, but it's relevant). I finally woke up and realized this uncomfortable feeling in my chest was what was bothering me, so I sat up, belched, took some tums (beside my bed) and went back to sleep.



The reason why this is significant is because I've always had the feeling that this condition (which, by the way, might be what its_des10e was getting at when she asked if I had a medical condition... didn't think of this myself) had some spiritual symbolism to it. You know how when one is possessed or haunted by an evil spirit, a common remedy is for them to vomit (I guess symbolizing the exorcizing of the spirit???). My inability to belch properly might be my body's way of symbolizing something dark within me that it wants to purge but can't. No doctor has ever been able to figure out what's wrong with me. This condition started around the same time when I became "spiritually awake" (when I first started using drugs). This awakening began as a blissful experience but soon became very dark, and I've never quite shook the darkness off for good. I sometimes wonder if there is something evil continues to stalk me - something like a parasite.



So this makes me wonder: could it be that what's blocking me from engaging in the full potential of my creative powers, and thus opening the door wide to the spiritual path, is this darkness that echoes from my past, a darkness that must somehow be purged? Is this all my imagination?



If the spirits really do whisper thoughts into my head, like mara-aum said, this insight definitely feels like one. It always has. I’ve always felt like *maybe* I could use something like an exorcism. I used to invest more faith into these occasional insights, feeling like something that just occurred to me was more than just my own thought but a vision of some greater truth. But, the ever-present rational side of me always reminded me that I have no proof of this, and it could always be my own imagination, wild and schizophrenic as it is. I don’t get these insights as often as I used to (I’ve even managed to block them while super stoned :lol but this one – about the parasite – has always lingered. It would be such a relief to free myself of it.

 

easy cure....fast. do a big lemon juice detox fast...you'll starve it out and the realizations you'll get while fasting will blow your mind and the demon away. as soon as you figure out why its latched on, what that means, you'll instantly know how to be rid of it. parasites in general have a way of manifesting when there is an issue in your belief system that makes you feel powerless. once you regain your inner strength the parasite will be forced to leave.


i did a mini-fast with a huge lsd trip a few weeks ago--life altering!

 

What? Seriously? That simple?

OK, so how long do I fast for? How much lemon juice do I drink, and when?

I guess I could look it up on the net too.

 

Now that, Gib, is a fairly astonishing extrapolation of a statement I made--in fact, one might almost be tempted to consider it a psychic insight.

But yes, in the days when my "spirit guides" first start feeding and testing me, I would sometimes shift quite rapidly among varying alternate views of reality. And each one would make some semblance of sense...I had to consider my experiences for several months--well, years, really--before my choice of "realities" started to settle with some consistency on one of these alternatives. And yes, at any given moment I could have based my worldview and my actions on any one of these alternate realities. In the long run, I've based my worldview and actions on all of the realities simultaneously, which can get to be an interesting juggling act.

Now this post of yours is absolutely fascinating. You have a complex and nuanced mind. We should go out for a few beers sometime, Gib.

Anyway, it just so happens that evil presences have become a specialty of mine--not by my plan or choice, understand...it's just that this is the path I've been led to. In keeping with my belief that there's a reason for everything, I've decided that the reason for this path of mine is that there's evil in me that I've tried to cut off from myself, and the spirits are trying to get me to re-integrate these cut-off parts, and to love and accept myself as potentially evil, thus becoming more whole.

This has been my approach also with the three people I have so far encountered who were dealing with "evil spirits." I've gone on the premise that these "evil spirits" are in some way a manifestation of an evil part of these people that they have denied and cut off. In each case, I met the spirits myself and dealt with them in some way, and then reported my experiences back to those afflicted. And in each case, what I had to say seemed to have been helpful to these individuals.

There's a well-established psychological basis for this. The parts of ourselves that we "cut off"--deny and suppress--never really go away. They only come back in much more insidious and destructive form in order to force us to see and acknowledge them. It's only by accepting these cut-off parts of ourselves that we neutralize their destructive potential.

However I'm curious to see what effect mara-aum's potion might have before I volunteer my services. LOL

Oh, and by the way--how much would it cost me for a unit in that condo complex close to the pool? I want one close enough that I won't need binoculars to get a good view of the sunbathing women.

 

i sense abbey road

 

something like Victoria road

 

Thanks

This parallels my own experiences almost perfectly. I'm working on a website for my philosophies of mind and consciousness, and it explains this whole multi-reality paradigm in a way that (I hope) makes sense to rational minded people. These philosophies also serve as a psychological tool for making transitions between realities without the nasty side effect of becoming schizophrenic .

Hey, I like beer! If you're serious, look me up next time you pass through Calgary Alberta.

I completely understand. Freud would have a field day with this sort of analysis. I've come to terms with my own "evil side" a while back, and I'm fairly convinced that evil is to be dealt with - that is, it is to be lived with - rather than exterminated. That's probably the hardest thing for most people to hear. What I've found, for the most part, is that if you've got something sinister lurking within you, chances are it just wants to find a niche in your psyche such that it can go about its business and you can go about yours without really incapacitating each other. For example, a lot of my inner demons seem to be content being expressed through my artwork - they never really urged me to hurt or antagonize anyone. So I'd say most of the time, it's all a matter of finding that harmonious balance between you and your demons (but other times, it may not be).

Yeah, me too.

I don't think we've determined prices yet, but usually our units go for anywhere between $300,000 and $600,000. Do you like the rockies? That one there's right in Canmore, Alberta. It's a really beautiful area.

 

Neither

 

Ah, see, this is where things are tricky. I did go back and look at my original message above, and maybe I misinterpretted the heart for the chest area. Haha... who knows?

I am feeling rusty, under a lot of stress lately.

I like the symbolism you came up with. Maybe you could benefit from a soul cleansing. I know a guy who does it. He can do it online. He did mine, and it was soooooo amazing. He described these things that latched onto the human soul as "parasites" much like you do.

I can PM you additional info.

 

A PM would be great. Wow, all this help! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :lol:

And don't fret over you're rusty skills - ESP is not an easy skill to master, I'm sure.

So I guess stress impedes on one's psychic abilities?

 

When I was going through it, my guides had helped me heighten my awareness to the point that the shifts I made in my worldview felt quite dramatic and concrete. I could practically feel the changes as my reality shifted.

This line of thought begins to illuminate the whole field of belief-as-reality--and when you get down to it, the entire nature of so-called "reality." And yes--the proximity to schizophrenic experience or the extreme manic phase of bipolar disorder tends to blur and overlap within the reality shifts... Interesting too that the theme of psychosis has been interwoven in my experiences...my spirit guide Emily is a bipolar on medication, her brother is also bipolar, one of my stepdaughters has been in the state hospital for the past year, being treated for bipolar disorder--and yes, I've had the dubious benefit of trials with two anti-psychotic meds--neither of which affected my "delusions" in the slightest, but both of which made me feel doped and mentally handicapped.

In a sense, the Hindus believe the entire universe is sort of a group hallucination. They call it "maya"--illusion.

So whose illusion is reality? It all depends on consensus--how many vote for this reality? LOL Okay, the majority wins... LOL

I AM serious, but it doesn't seem likely I'll pass through Calgary any time soon...if you're coming to the Boston area, let me know--lots of great Irish pubs out here. Fancy a Guinness? It's a meal and a drink, rolled into one.

Stephen King has immortalized himself sublimating his demons for public consumption.

So behind the AutoCAD operator is a more esoteric Gib the artist...well, we all need to channel our talents and obsessions into viable means of material support as best we can, don't we?

Are you really going to try the lemon juice cleansing? I'll be waiting--as I'm sure Mara-aum will also.

Love the Rockies--absolutely love them. If you ever can, you should drive toward Salt Lake City, Utah from the west--when you first emerge from the salt flats and see the skyscrapers dwarfed against the backdrop of the Rockies, it's like a moment of transcendence.

Anyway my question was mostly rhetorical. Maybe I could afford a unit if I make a fortune from my book...but I wouldn't want to live in such close proximity to neighbors, truth be known. It has not worked well for me in the past. Currently we live in a house surrounded by woods on all sides, and this is the best living situation I've ever been in.

But the poolside scenery is tempting...

 

A spirit on medication? This almost sounds like a living person somewhere in the world whose spirit is being projected... or maybe someone who has passed on and somehow brought her medication with her.

You have my sympathies (both you and your daughter). I've been on various medications before (antipsychotics, antiobsessives, antidepressants) but never for any extended period of time (except for retalin when I was a kid). I know the dopy feeling. It's often a trade off, isn't it?

And they're not that far off - even by today's scientific standards (i.e. many scientists are convinced - Richard Dawkins for one - that the perceptual world is really just a neurologically produced representation of a "real" world that we can't perceive or understand).

A really good question.

:LOL: I'll remember you if I'm ever on my way through there.

Agreed. If you're interested, you can see my artwork at http://www.shahspace.com/art. I didn't program the website as well as I could though, so you might be waiting a while for each drawing to download.

Yep, I'm serious. I don't know what's involved though. I hope mara-aum comes back with some answers for me. I tried googling it but very little showed up. Particularly, I'd like to know how long it takes. A few days, I could probably do, but if it turns out to be a week or more, that's probably beyond my capacity.

Anyway, it's always nice to find someone else who's so interested in the philosophy of metaphysics and mind. If you ever want to drum up conversations (however nerdy it may seem ), just let me know.

 

i wouldn't just do the fast & then get other stuff (like zenzigmo was offering) i'd get zenzigmo to zap it away while your fasting--that would be trippy!

ok--take the juice of 1 lemon (has to be FRESHLY squeezed...none of this in the bottle crap), mix it with a tbsp of organic maple syrop & as much cayenne pepper as you can stomach...a sprinkle at first and then increase as you go. mix that up & swig it back..it has every possible thing you need to keep you from starving to death lol...drink it as often as you feel you need to. drink plenty of water through-out the process. you can do this up to 1 month safely. after a few days your body will go into detox mode & eat away diseased tissue--and demons.

are you doing this with or without psychedelics? if psychedelics are in the mix make sure you tell zinzigmo when your tripping--it'll be easier for him to pick up vibes & do energy work on you while your high.

 

LOL Yeah well, I don't think I exactly zap it away, Mara-aum. Though truthfully, I never know what to expect when I start out, and who knows? I COULD end up zapping it. LOL Incidentally, Gib, while I was thinking about it just now I reached out with my mind to see what kind of "evil" energy I could detect, and frankly I didn't feel anything like that--quite the opposite, in fact. But maybe further meditation could turn up something interesting and maybe more specific and useful.

God, what an interesting idea! I might end up tripping myself from the energy...anyway Gib, if you DID want to try this, do let me know when you're planning it, and I'll try to tune into you around that time if I can.

 

She IS a living person somewhere in the world--somewhere in the midwestern USA, to be specific. She's a person I used to work with. She's also profoundy psychically gifted, and part of my "spirit guide team." When she was being my close friend she used to answer my unspoken questions and comment on telepathic conversations we had. She was also the most difficult person I've ever dealt with, because her goals with me went far beyond friendship and into the realm of spiritual growth, and to that end she would purposely do things to frustrate me in a way that only a person who knew my thoughts better than I did myself could possibly know how to do. I'd love to say more, but it's a long and complicated story--which is why I'm trying to write a book about it.

For me there was very little tradeoff--mostly only a down side. The only good things that came out of using the meds were (1) I learned that my belief in and experience of telepathy did not go away when I took anti-psychotics, and (2) I proved it to my wife also, which did some damage to her insistence that I was psychotic. This is a long story also--and it will go into the book.

Of course!!! How could it be otherwise? Our perceptions aren't "objective" reality--only a neural representation of it. We perceive only the tiniest infinitesimal fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum with our eyes. If we could see ALL the wavelengths, who knows what the universe would look like to us then? And even then the picture would only be a representation in our minds, not the thing itself. And besides electromagnetic waves, we sense chemicals with our noses and tongues, heat, pressure, and vibrations--and what else? Who's to say these are all there is to sense...

I brought up your home page--the drawing there is slightly reminiscent of Hieronymus Bosch. I also took a look at your first gallery--nice stuff.

Yeah, if you used low-res images for your thumbnail links, you could greatly reduce page load times. Also you're making the browser re-size the main image on the fly--if you're interested, I could give you a few ideas for speeding things up some.

I do poetry: http://www.rbrpoetry.com . I also drew simple computer sketches to accompany each poem.

Absolutely--it's great to find a kindred spirit.

 

To be honest with you mara, one month is probably way more than I can handle - I'm bound to cave in. I'd do in an instant if it was only a few days - a week max... but you did says up to 1 month. What would you say is the optimal amount of time? Is there any way for me to tell when I've had enough?

Wasn't planning on it, and if I do it probably won't be because I'm fasting... but maybe we could arrange something. The only psychedelics I have at home are "spice" (similar to pot - see www.everyonedoesit.com) and 60x salvia. I could probably get other stuff from that website (unless it's illegal of course).

 

Wow, if you write books like you write poetry, it'll be a best seller for sure. I loved those poems - some of the best I've ever read - not kidding. I'll buy your book for sure. Remember me when it's finished.

I appreciate the offer to help me clean up my website, but web development is what I do for a living ... just not so much back then. I've been meaning to clean up my website for a while now - just never found the time.

So you have a whole spirit guide team, eh?... interesting *strokes non-existent beard*... I'm might PM with something (but let me think over it).