The only one worth voting for!

Hey, HS, I was reading a few interesting things about vermin and it was from a straight news thing. To bad I cant remember what! Sad thing is kidz,outta the big names runnin in this game, aint not a one of em worth a fuck! I dont know what I'm gonna do this next election. At this point Donald Duck would make just as good as a figure head.Sorry, Daisy is to smart, they aint never gonna let anyone reall in that world. Revolution, peaceful, as well as strong songs and strong numbers,where ya dont put your money,and sacrifice, are the only ways to put things where they should be.Aint happinin yet. " Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high" LOVE YA"S!***
Play nice children we's all we gots!

 

i believe he was in iowa, and new hampshire.. at least they have been mentioning him since before iowa.

if your interested,go to N.P.R.'s "all things considered" archives he was actually briefly interviewed (30 seconds or so)the day before the new hampshire primary..

we have heard his name mentioned on NPR 3 or 4 times in the last couple weeks....

 

lmao.....

now thats funny,, and profoundly true and sad all at the same time.....

 

Kucinich is asking for a recount in NH.

 

Trust NO politician. Show the Federal Government that its "We the People" not them the
Federal Government. DO NOT vote next November. They are ALL liars and will only serve
their own crooked hidden agendas. Don't buy into their propaganda. Purchase all the
unregistered guns you can and head for the hills now while you still can. I will NEVER
waste my time again voting for worthless politicians. I did once and it was the biggest
mistake I ever made. That time would have been better spent cutting wood or harvesting
food. Its not going to matter who wins as you will all feel like idiots when the jerk you
vote into office serves himself and his select crowd.

The Federal Government dosent care what we vote for. We speak and they tell us we are
wrong, they refuse to honor our vote . Case in point, medical Marijuana. We the people
voted but the Federal Government says we can trump your vote, BULLSHIT! And they will
keep doing it. WHERE HAS OUR CONSTITUTION GONE? WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT
HAVE WE CREATED?

Dont get me wrong, I love this country and the Constitutional Rights we USED to have but
things have to change before I even think of voting again.

The real issues are not if abortions are right or wrong, if we should be sticking our nose in
other countries business, how we should be trying to make the world just like us or how
to fix the financial mess we are in as these are all smoke screen issues. We need not sweat
the small things. Wake up people! The REAL issue is who is going to tell the Federal
Government that they are overstepping their bounds, that what "WE THE PEOPLE" want
and VOTE for matters most, and WHO has the BALLS to correct this grave injustice. I
havent seen one single politician address this issue nor have I witnessed one person pose
this most important question to any of the candidates, nor would I expect a straight
answer from any of them for none have the balls to do so.

In the end its not going to matter who is elected as the Federal Government will conduct
"Business as usual" no matter what WE say or how WE VOTE or WHO WE VOTE for...

 

the reason our nation is in trouble now is partly due to people not getting involved and that includes voting. refusing to vote just sends a message to our government that we no longer care. but there's other ways to let the government know that we aren't going to take this any longer.
sept 15th there was a march against the iraq war. while a poll that week stated that more than 60% of the citizens are against the war less than 10,000 showed up to march. what's wrong with us that we're too busy to take the time to state our opinions?
more recently i met a human rights worker from germany and he was angry that we refuse to stand up to our government and the illegal actions that they're taking and have been taking around the world for decades. there are a few people that will stand up and speak and march but not enough to send a message.
for decades now we've been subject to the tyranny of corporations that have taken over our government and yet, on the whole, our nation has only been out to grab all they can, while they can before it all comes crashing down. if the corporations continue to manipulate us eventually we'll be slaves to them. perhaps not in our lifetimes or our children's but it is coming. granted the rainbows i've spoken to are not part of the system and see through the lies but we won't be immune to it in the end.
so giving up one of your most basic rights, the vote, isn't going to solve anything either. if you're without hope that things can change then you are lost and you're right but there's always hope. there are way more of us than there are of them and we can always make a difference. look at the NH primary, the fraud there is all over the news and there's a call for a recount. this would not have happened in the run-up to the 2004 election. if you see people that care and are working hard to bring about change, what do you do?

 

Rainbowtoke, the problem with voting is that most folks don't really vote.

I asked my ex wife "do you vote?" and she said "yes, every time"

So i asked her, "when was the last time you voted?" and she answers
"For Kerry four years ago"

Well therein lies the glitch. In our system of voting most presidential candidates (the ones i assume we are talking about) are nominated from the senators, governors, etc.

Most senators and governors are chosen from the ranks of the State Reps, etc. Most State Reps are chosen from the district reps or the mayors, etc.

Most District reps are drawn from the ranks of tax appraiser, and other minor offices, such as assistant to the whoever.

So, if you did not vote for every tax appraiser (etc), then you didn't really vote for president. You just waited until there was a lesser of two evils, and said "I don't like either one".

Zenloki. Though I have been to many marches, and helped organize quite a few (and some real big ones), i have noticed that in reality the feds can ignore that completely also. It once occurred to me that by driving a hundred miles, and buying burgerking cause your late, and buying paint that you only use a little of, and posterboard, and a souvenir, a "protester" is really supporting the system. A million marchers are actually a major boon to a city, pouring in about $100,000 in about half a day, and the city doesn't even have to get insurance of do the planning.
Now if we had taken $100 per person from every protest since the sixties and pooled it we would own california.
That might be where many of the folks you wonder where they were were at. Working to save money to change things? or just working on a project like an organic farm.?

I know it's hard, and complicated, but i am just trying to think....."what could make a difference?"

I think what needs to happen is that we should vote in EVERY minor election (which are usually decided by only 20% of the folks, and with a 2% margin), where only a few folks (2% of 20% is 4 out of 1000 people) can win an election.
Then we could make real changes like green party tax appraisers who get elected mayor who get elected state congressman because all the mayors are green. Or instituting an IRV on a local level, so that it can be instituted on a county level, so it can be instituted on a state level. Or something like that.

Anyway, theres my two cents on whether to vote or not.

 

I think the glitch lies in the electoral college...the electoral college doesn't have to vote with the popular vote.

& while I don't think that voting for president counts nearly as much as some people think, I still vote because I believe that it does make a difference when it comes to state reps senators and on down the line & I believe that voting most matters in local elections. How can you expect your state, county or city to know what you want if you don't vote?

 

i tell you what, if i was a democrat i would be one disillusioned pissed off son of a bitch(not that i havent been for a while) for what there party is doing with there delegates.i mean just cause they moved there primary michigan and floridas votes dont count at the convention.. now thats some fucked up shit..

do as we say or your vote doesnt count???

just damn..

its all a big fucking joke...

 

How many Rainbows actually vote? Not many, I'll wager. If they did, they might be able to make a difference. It they don't, they really have no bitch, unless they're a dyed in the wool anarchist, and I doubt there's many here.....

 

change it to republican? some of us already are registered republicans. personally i don't understand why any Dem would want to vote for Ron Paul anyway, he is the most Conservative rep running right now.

Ron Paul '08!!!

 

Hey Agro, I think it was micky hart who said that 'if all the deadheads in florida had voted gore would have won the election'. Not necessarily true, but connected to your point.
Have you read about the anarchist histories? Spain in the 1880 to 1940 years? Most anarchist movements in history where pro democracy. They just assembled power (syndicalism) in a loose way that allowed each small segment to retain most of their own choices. Modern America has a sort of Jonny Rotten view of anarchy.
Anarchy defines (at least in old dictionaries) as lack (In a pure view, minimal in a political view) of GOVERNMENT, not of Governance. A distinct difference.

As for the electoral college. It is up to the states to decide if the electors are mandated, and varies from state to state. In truth there has rarely in history been a wavering from the popular vote (of that state), and i don't remember, but i think it has never decided an election?
The college is little understood by many, but is really a bit of necessary genius. It's primary function is to allow small population states to have some say. Without it the big states of Florida, California, Texas, New York etc would have complete control of the presidential vote.
It is very important that the cultural ideologies of the small regions get represented. Without the possibilities of the electoral college allows all small rural areas would have all politics dictated by city folks and folks who live a thousand miles away. I am not claiming it is the perfect method, I am only acknowledging it has some functions.

 

I think all of us need to vote for Ron Paul he's the only one who'll protect our first amendment rights.Put an LEO in the unemployment line vote Ron Paul 2008

 

Did someone actually say "Hitlerey." Damn you're dumb. Im with the original poster, Kucinich is the MAAAAN! But alas, he was done for from the start. OBAMA!!

 

cause he'll legalize marijuana

 

Why don't you try moving to mexico or something and see how you get treated by your goverment. Fuck yea we have problems in this country, but come on man...Don't sweat the small stuff??? Like what, Global warming, a WAR that we're in, the economy?? How can you call these small issues...This is certainly the most important election in my lifetime. Fuck what you're talking about...I want the system to improve as well, but Im not dumb enough to honestly believe that EVERY candidate is the same as any other. We got big things on the line here bro, so don't go preaching your "don't vote" bullshit.

 

The reason Kucinich keeps getting his invites revoked to debates it because....they are afraid, very afraid. And, i ask you why, if he has no chance, are they so scared of the man?

 

ok, but kucinich wants to too, and he is much more liberal than paul.

 

Im not voting for Ron Paul. Not in a million years. Im just trying to comprehend why hippies would vote for him, and so far thats all I can come up with. That or we have a shitload of poser hippies

 

why would ''poser hippies'' want to vote for Ron Paul? don't run the "he's a republican" line by me. i'm definitely not buying into that one. i don't care if he or anyone else legalizes MJ either because we have way bigger problems. my reasons for working to get him on the ballot all revolve around his past record in congress, his desire to put an end to the burdensome government bureacracy and telling us what we NEED to hear and know. i've never heard another candidate so outspoken on the issues that currently confront us or seen one with such an exemplary record. in Aaron Russo's documentary, Freedom to Fascism, Ron Paul gives a glimpse of what his going on in this country. my point is that i don't care what your party affiliation is if you've got the record to back up your platform then i'm voting for you.
what exactly do you have against him anyway?