no, the orion race....the 4th density reptilian entities icke has written many many books on now. for a better source of info on the orion race than icke i would suggest, "The RA Material" (assuming they exist outside the mind of the few...)
No. I laughed because that was one of the stupidest things I've read lately. Do you honestly believe that a 2,000 year old guy is living, and has chosen this random fraternity (barely one-tenth as old as he is) to share his "secrets" with? I think this is pretty clear-cut evidence that some people really WILL believe anything...
Just because a group of people have a few secrets doesn't mean that they're a deep, dark, evil group secretly controlling the world. Hell, MY fraternity in college had some secrets. If we had the national scope of the freemasons, I'm sure you guys would come up with all kinds of bizarre theories about our secrets, regardless of the accuracy of them. Listen to yourselves: A 2,000 year old guy? A reptilian race of people? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Stop buying into the tabloid headlines and Catholic Church propaganda, and try thinking for YOURSELVES for a change.
Maybe you're the stupid, brainwashed one. Ever think of that? People haven't come to these conclusions because they are paranoid conspiracy theorists. They have come to these conclusions by researching history. Whether you believe David Icke's reptillian shape-shifting theories or not (which I myself am not completely sold on), there are indeed secret societes that have long "ruled" the earth, and still do today. In reality the world is controlled by a select few people, most of whom are inter-related. Today they own the world banks, governments, big-businesses, etc.. Such prominent names include the Rockefellers, Winsdors and Rothschilds. Try researching the following: The Bilderberger Group The Trilateral Commission The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Bohemian Grove Skull & Bones Freemasonry The House of Windsor The Order of the Dragon The Theosophical Society The Knights Templar The Knights of Malta The Club of Rome Prieure de Sion Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) Try doing some research on your own and see what you come up with.
If he wrote all that revealing exposing information without the reptile stuff, it would be too believable, and his life would be in jeopardy. So, he throws in some really far out there stuff to tone down the credibility and make himself less of a target. Masonry was secret out of necessity, for survival reasons. Now it is not so endangered, and it is no longer so secret. They are the surviving Templars creation, formed in Scotland, after the destruction of their order in 1313. The Shriners are a charitable arm of Masonry. The KKK was Albert Pike's new group, modelled on Masonry, created after he quit Masonry cuz it was too broadminded for his liking. The history of the Masons is fascinating reading, and its ancient roots are hotly debated.
It's about a blood line they say, the chosen ones (which is a lie of course)!! the holy grail, is about that holy blood line (illumimati or wahtever u wanna call it) but it's about energy. it depends what you do with the energy! doesn't make sense I KNOW, but... there is a conspiracy about this... But when you begin to trust your own personal power instead of inconsciously giving it away to power structrures, you'll really begin to see hidden forces
yeah so I read the "Illuminatus Triology"....yeah didn't enlighten me in any way. As for those masons, they obviously know the secret of life.
Are these the same people that wear the little hats and drive the little planes in some circus's? That is what I head and don't count my on it I'm just curious, also that they are put through demeaning stunts to see if they are worthy, and if they tell about these thingd happening they will get killed?I'm not sure my old foster brother was talking about it and said his dad was in it, or use to be but I didn't pay to much attention because i've never heard of such a thing. and until now I haven't thought about it.... explain?
It's basically just a service-oriented fraternity for guys past the college age. They have secrets like any other fraternity. All of this nonsense about them being part of a global conspiracy, or holding some vital information secret, is just plain silly.
....But how are you so sure? How do we not know that you are in this 'fraternity' and are try to persuade our views?... Hmmm
environmental_junkie....But how are you so sure? How do we not know that you are in this 'fraternity' and are try to persuade our views?... Hmmm Sounds too neat and clean an answer to me too. I know for a certainty that parts of Kandahar's post is incorrect, which makes me suspect the rest of it. I say the most rational conclusion is indeed that he is one. This post is an attempt to lessen interest in the matter by dismissively proclaiming that its just the same as the Oddfellows, Optimist Club, or Lions. I am very well read in Masonic lore, and can assure you that the roots and branches of this club are strong, deep, and numerous. The connection to the Templars is unmistakable, and the prevalence of Masonic symbols within the judicial system, financial institutions, and various levels of government from municipal to federal, is worth noting. Can anyone tell me that they know for certain, the name of any other non-Mason Presidents of the USA, besides JFK?
Why is it that anyone who approaches the question from a RATIONAL perspective and disagrees with your conspiracy theories is automatically dubbed "one of them"? What's the point of all this? They're an old fraternity with national prominence. The reason their symbols are in the government is because many of the founding fathers were masons. None of the "evidence" you described above indicates any conspiracy, illuminati, or dark secrets. To the best of my knowledge, Washington and Jefferson were the only masons we've ever had as presidents. As for ones that I know for a fact were not: John Q. Adams, Zachary Taylor, and Millard Fillmore all ran on anti-masonic platforms.
To the best of my knowledge, Washington and Jefferson were the only masons we've ever had as presidents. As for ones that I know for a fact were not: John Q. Adams, Zachary Taylor, and Millard Fillmore all ran on anti-masonic platforms. Posted by Kandahar lol As far as I was aware, Jefferson was not ever shown conclusively to have been a Mason. I am thankful to you for the names of Adams, Taylor, and Fillmore, as I sincerely am interested in this subject. I never claimed any conspiracy by them, or dark secrets either, just to be clear on that. the whole 'illuminati' thing is totally beyond my scope of study, and I have only seen it referred to in the form of unsupported conjecture by religious writers. I have been told by Masons themselves that JFK was the only non-Mason Prez. Of course, this proves nothing. It is just a statement I heard that became the source of some of my questions.
i dunno if its different in my little part of the world, but the freemasonry here has nothing to do with christianity. the texts speak of a higher power but nothing restricted to christianity here.
Why is it that anyone who aproaches from a veiwpoint opposing yours is automatically irrational, and a conspiracy theorist?
They aren't "automatically" an irrational conspiracy theorist. If you have solid proof of a secret cabal ruling the world led by the freemasons, I'd love to hear it. But after people start offering the typical "evidence" of a freemason conspiracy, I feel I'm justified in labelling them an irrational conspiracy theorist.
