The Magic of the 60s

hell yea man, and his name was ALLEN GINSBURG!!!

 

Real American is ethnocentric. Meaning that he believes that the entirity of existance rotates around his (typical american) perspective.

Well I'm sure his answer is, "they are going to hell because they don't love jesus." If they knew jesus all they would have to do is go yto a mirror and repeat his name 3 times and all their problems would be relieved. Lame.

The Churches(Organized Religion) eracadiated 'drugs' form religion by calling it 'witchcraft' and 'sorcery'! They literally burned people for using drugs. Where do you think they got 'flying broomstic' associated with witches from? Datura/belladona/nightshade was put into an ointment and using a 'wooden dildo' they would rectally recieve these drugs... (this is directly from a american university level anthropology course). What do you think it is they are refering to when we say witch? They are obviously not dressing up in costumes and just reading off cards. What do you think a 'witches potion' is? Witchcraft/Sorcery is just the abilitiy to control the phisical present with the esoteric knoledge that can be ganed from mastering ethnogenic sacrements.

It was said that Preists "could speak DIRECTLY with god".... hmmmm... 1+1=?

The things I'm saying are pretty much 'blasphomous' and I think that is much of the problem. This type of person is afraid of having a 'naughty thought'... and instantly becoming a heritic... get over yourself!

No matter how 'solid' a 'fact' that you may have... all 'facts' and 'knowledge' as we know it is only a human measurment of the natural world. Science never explains, "WHY", only "HOW", relative to everything else.

The 'magic of the 60s' was about all these people realizing their potential... realizing that they were quite literally FREE. There arn't too many drugs when used in appropriate dosages make a human being 'delireious'. One I can think of right away is alcohol (oh... but it helps us 'mingle' [*barf*]), this is probably the least fun drug I can think of, it simply makes one teporarly less aware of one's actions. Again Lame.

"Girls can tell" by Spoon and "Youth and young manhood" by The kings of Leon are both great albums, and new. The scene is starting, just slowly.

-PsDX

 

yea man, dogma is so annoying, it's so hard to be around.

 

Wow, I'd like to see RA's response to that Psilodelix... it's so true that it's sad. What you said about the 60's is true also; people realized that they were free. That's why many dropped out from society and made their own communes; yet they were (and still are) ridiculed by the conformist youth of the past, present, and possibly even future. They just don't realize what it's like, they are afraid of stepping out from their niche in society and making their own life; not some fake vision set in their minds by society.

 

Amen!... I find that when I first started to "allow myself" to think in this manner, I wouldn't really believe any of these theories(NOW I DO) I had come up with... by I was still never afraid of the hypathetical.

See, I told you God doen't like dogma!!! Just believe me next time...

Yea man.... thats just it, sad. Ocean Byrd, I think the 'hippies' of 60's generations realized the great relativity of existance... they metaprogramed their brains as they saw fit... and the rest of society (which is god only knows how much larger it is/was [1:250?]) just squashed them, leagally ... sub-conscoiunessly the public were/are terrified about their existance.... and the last thing they wanted to hear in their materialistic wet dream was that 'hippies had the answer'. Even today the suggestion is met by a laugh riot and the suggestion that you didn't get the memo that "hippiedom" had been offically proven unsucessful. LAME. I'm sick to death of letting people whom are not self-actualized run anything/everything... Especially and particularly... govenrnment, religion, media...ect

I'm sick of my culture (american) getting pushed back and fourth by a pack of lost and sub-conscoiunessly motivated individuals who don't understand the WHY of life and therefore stumble through it like a drunk on st. pattys day. If you're living out 'the american dream' then I can be sure for you that you are spiritually lost... my parents actually believe in this sort of life as well, however the american dream, by it's nature spits in the face of salvation.

I metaprogram therefore I am. Conversly, those who do not metaprogram, live in a manufactured state of existance.

If you havn't personally 'picked the code' you'd like to teach your 'biocomputer'(brain)... then I can guarentee someone else has picked 'the code' for your 'biocomputer' for you and without you having been aware of it.

I am personally on the hunt for the Neuclear Bomb of weapons in this culture battle. Kykeon, the secret formula for the psychedleic drink of the greek eleusian mysteries. This formula would be about growing C. paspali and using the honydew to infect fields of barly... If we could figure out this formula, then an anazing LSD like drink would be preparable by almost anyone. This is how we win the war. No more telling people of their religious purpose and relativity of reality, we'll just SHOW THEM. More info here >>> http://www.psychedelic-library.org/paspali.htm

-PsDX

 

Awesome! I hope that formula is found, because in my area I have no access to any type of drugs at all. I know this is probably a stupid questions, but are there any soft drugs like pot that can be brewed up from everyday substances? It's be great if there are...

 

Psilodelix:

The term ethnocentric refers to believing that your ethinic group is superior to other ethnic groups. In general the word ethnic can be related to racial terms, ie black and white. However, it still can be related to religion, though it is hardly used as a religious term. You know, there is a handy website called http://www.dictionary.com that will help you use words properly. I myself am not a religious person. I don't follow the Catholic way, or the Babtist way. What I do follow is The Bible. If you can go into a church or makeshift church and hear The Word of God being taught through The Bible, then you are bound to learn something interesting and something that relates to you in your life. You my friend use bits and pieces from The Bible and throw away the rest. You are the one that is lost. One of the most amazing gifts God will give us is wisdom. He says that we only need to ask for it and He will fill us to the top with it. Wisdom to know what is right and wrong, wisdom to deal with everyday situations. Wisdom to listen to someone and believe them, or wisdom to listen to someone and realize they are 3 cans short of a 6 pack. You have contradicted yourself so many times it's pathetic. At one point you were pulling scripture out of The Bible(at wich point I was thinking you at least had half a brain) but then you laughed at Jesus's importance. So now, when I read your posts the only thing I see myself realy doing is trying to find the meanings of some of your words. Such as ethnogenic: Ethno meaning - Race; people and genic meaning - Of, relating to, produced by, or being genes or a gene. So I guess the reason I can't possably comprehend what you are talking about is because my race doesn't have the genes necessary to understand. I did however find several websites that use the word ethnogenic, all of wich deal with the use of drugs. So you guys are making your own words now? Interesting.

 

why not make our own words. hey! why don't we make our own language. that'd be fun!

 

Bablabto umkak dul'mar drishcar tolagar efman eldrazo mametoto.

 

I did use the term correctly and even in an explanatory fassion. It's not that one thinks that one's ethnic group or race is superior... It's that one thinks that theirs is central to human existance.

I do not 'throw the rest away', I have no reason to type the entire bible out here, however I am currently only going into the parts that have relavance to my arguments. I think that the entire bible is useful and if taken in the 'correct abstract interpertation', then it will provide a very healthy perspective on life. If taken as the litteral word of god, then you're simply an obvious moron.

You're still not getting it. You still think that the name 'Jesus' and the word 'god' actually have any bearing on what they were meant to represent. Only a fool takes mythology for fact. As far as I know I have NEVER contradicted myself... but if you can find these 'contradictions', I'd be glad to explain how a line of logic works to you.

Sorry, my fault, En-then-ogen (generating the devine within). I had been misspelling the word for quite some time. I use this to reflect any plant of fungi or growth of nature which is psychoactive without the manupulition of man. I don't think that there are many other words that were mis-used... I'd be glad to fill in any blanks. Again, I think you are pointing out grammer to avoid the real argument. Stick to the argument.

-PsDX

 

right on man.

 

dyufo q tarto xlveowi puzk amedapuk. kafed nulum samar. uk benkal!

 

Look up the word. Unless of course you are now trying to make up your own definitions. Should we rebel against the english language?

Yes you do. You quote scripture and want to believe that God gave them shrooms to eat so they could get high. Then you say that

Meant to represent? Did I miss God's memo? Did he say that His Son was no longer real, but just a representation of how we should live? Yet, much earlier in your postings, you pull scripture refering to John the baptist speaking with Jesus. So again, you use parts of The Bible you want and throw away the rest. Do you not believe that God is the way, the truth, and the light? Perhaps you don't believe that Jesus died for you? Perhaps you believe that he did not rise 3 days later? Perhaps you are suggesting that all those witnesses on the beach that were fed with a little fish and bread(if I recall, it was like 3 thousand people) were all high off some divine drug handed to them by a symbol.

Man you are so twisted in your lies and arguments, along with your drugs you can't remeber what you are saying. Fisrt you believe in God, then you discredit Him by saying he is a symbol, then you say the symbol gave Moses and the people shrooms to get high on and survive. Then you talk about Jesus and what he stood for from what you read in The Bible. Then you say

Right after that line you talk about God telling Adam and Eve they could use everything in the garden. AGAIN, YOU USE WHAT SUITS YOU IN THE BIBLE AND THROW THE REST AWAY. You are a fake, a fraud, a deception. Do me a favor, find in The Bible where it talks about people like you. Here is another example of your contradictions :

Hrmmm, I'll say one thing, then do another, I believe in not killing so I'll take that from The Bible, but I don't think Jesus died for me or that he will return so I'll throw that away......

One last point to show you that you contradict yourself:

I'm done showing everyone here that you have done to many drugs.

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Back on topic, I still believe the "Magic of the 60's" came from drugs. Sure there was music everyone liked, but that is the same as today. As well as the drugs. In theory as others have stated there will alwyas be that "Magic" you speak of, it's just a matter of you being involved in it.

 

The bible is not the word of God; it was written by man. Although that is blasphamous, it's true; therefor, there is no contradiction.

Guess you should eat your own words; he never contradicted himself. He said that the hippie lifestyle was a philosophy, which is what he said in your first quote. Again, you fail to pull out a true contradiction. This is why I stopped arguing with you, you just made a web of untrue statements and it became to tiresome to correct you because you'd critique those too.

Obviously, you didn't even read my response to Psilodelix's post where I explained what 'hippies' understood. I think your views were formed from poor life experience where you became a hardened individual who bitterly defended his views and is afraid of being proven wrong and realizing that his whole view of life is incorrect. Obviously, you need to find direction in life; religion only does so much for an individual.

 

He used the word "we" wich puts him in the catagory he is defending. Come on, you are the one who talked about reading inbetween the lines.

The Bible is The word of God. Yes, man wrote it through inspiration from God. I'm sure all those people at the bottom of the mountain said "No Moses, you are a fool, you realy didn't talk with God". Guess the people watching the death of Christ were insaine. Oh, and the ones that spoke with him after he had risen from the grave, guess they were tripping on the manna that they found?

Who are you again to tell me my view of my life in incorrect? You have not prooved anything that I have said or believed to be wrong. You can make you own decisions on what you think of me. You can make your own decisions of what you believe in. You can do pretty much whatever you like in your life. I do have this suggestion for you though, reguardles if you want to admit it or not, you and psilodelix contradict yourselves constantly. I on the other hand, stand true to my beliefs and do not fumble the words I mean to type and come back later and say "well what I realy meant was...".

Last thing, you admire psilodelix so much, why didn't you quote the part when I showed him how he uses parts of The Bible for his own benifit and throws out the rest? Simple answer, he typed what he felt, as do you, and then contradict yourself over and over. I understand, realy I do, noone wants to ever admit they are wrong. I am honestly tired of defending myself and showing you your faults. Make your last post void of calling me names, or explaining to me how deprived I am and write down your feelings on the subject. Then we can move on.

 

can't we all just get along? different people have different views. you will never be able to get and athiest to believe in god and you will never get a christian to stop.

 

Ya, but obviously you are not reading his post correctly; he states that you and him and everyone else is still human and then goes on to talk about hippies. It helps if you actually look at something before quoting it.

How do you know for sure that the bible is the word of God? Maybe it's something a man made up as a standard for living by certain guidlines. We don't even know what the original bible really contained as many things the church at the time found to have potential to upset their power were removed from the translation. The rest is not my arguement.

I don't need to come back and say "Well, what I really meant was..." because I believe my assumption is rather accurate from the past posts in here. The only reason you've not contradicted yourself (I have yet to see you pull evidence of either me or Psilodelix doing so) is because you don't venture out on reason or logic; you just say the same thing over and over. Of course, you'll probably deny that (which I ensure you won't with this statement, actually; I can play that game too), but you do actually, just you vary the way you answer. Again, I stand by the statement that you qouted whole-heartedly, I didn't fumble at all and won't refrute what's been said.

Oh, yes, I admire him... I admire the fact that he can actually type what he feels rather than some jibberish a guy made up that people base their entire lives on; it's ridiculous to do such a thing. Again, you eat your own words; you're the one who doesn't want to admit your wrong, referring back to that quote earlier... I never called you any names either. Also, you sure don't like to include bits where you were proven wrong, much less admit to it in your posts. You certainly like to quote what you like and throw the rest away...

Finally, I'm tired of pointing out your ridiculous claims as falacies and having you make even more; are you quite done?

 

I'm not Atheist, I'm Buddhist; I just hate bible thumpers/ignorant self-indulgent individuals.

Besides, debate is always good fun in the end; it provides some insight into another view. The more you know...

 

I was once a 'hippie'. It was a stage of my life that helped me develop and move on to the next... self-actulization.

Once again. Ocean Byrd did a good job of pointing out where you went wrong and where you even quoted me(and him) out of context. Why can't I just take one section of the bible? is there something wrong with one peice? anyway... I'm sick of explaining the true nature of the universe to people who would rather be lied to, than bother to try to comprehend the magnatude of the truth.

Magic Mushrooms and all other psychedelics for that matter are not a 'ticket' to see any one particular thing, they will not reveal the universe to you automaticly... the power of your mind combined with the 'microscope' of magic mushrooms will allow you to look at everything and everyissue in a multifaceted perspective. METAPROGRAMING < Real American I suggest you do an internet search on this one and do your best to understand.

 

Hi Guys, I have been following these posts (still) I find it interesting to see two "immovable objects" still going at each other.

Psydex: I would be interested in knowing what you do when you are not tripping. Do you really live in Paris? Is it the Paris in France? How do you subsist? What do you think about Aldous Huxley?

It seems as if you might find some truth in Carl Jung's statement that follows;

But if, for instance, the statement that Christ rose from the dead is to be understood not literally but symbolically, then it is capable of various interpretations that do not conflict with the knowledge and do not conflict with the knowledge and do not impair the meaning of the statement. The objection that understanding it symbolically puts and end to the Christians hope of immortality is invalid, because long before the coming of Christianity mankind believed in a life after death and therefore had no need of the Easter event as a guarantee of immortality. The danger that a mythology understood too literally, and as taught by the church will suddenly be repudiated lock, stock and barrel is today greater than ever. Is it not time that the Christian mythology, instead of being wiped out, was understood symbolically for once?

Carl Jung
The Undiscovered Self

Real American, I understand you really believe in your religion and I do not think you will change this, however, aren't you a little interested in different points of view. Do we all HAVE to think the same way? As I mentioned before, you cannot rely on the bible as being absolute truth. There is too much evidence to contradict this. Should a true "christian" be so close minded? I think that there was a person that we now know of as Jesus the Christ, however, I do not believe he died for our sins. I do not believe he was the son of a hebrew war god (jehova). I think he was a leader of a radical group of jews who were trying to get back to their true religion and overthrow the establishment. Show me the evidence and proof that he was divine. I can believe in quantum mechanics and string theory because it has been proven mathematically. Science rears it's ugly head again!