the Jews return to Israel

Pat Robertson...about 1981 or 1983...that's about the time I started thinking...naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa maybe not for me.

 

When Jesus died on the cross, his arms pointed both dirrections.

 

And this refutes that fact that although the word Jesus is not mentioned in the OT, we still can learn about His entire life in the OT... how?

 

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water... I do now care what other theologians have said or are saying now. I go by what I have read and what I have read only points to RUSSIA.

 

Last one for me on this because it serves no good purpose other then me venting against my up bringing.
The fundamentalist "holy grail" is that the bible is the infallable, inspired word of god. Therfore, every word there in must be perfect if it is infallable. It matters little that it in no way names or identifies much or most of what is present day and often says things contrary to what the believers make it say. Many prediction or "prophecies" in the text NEVER happened but the believers have the ready made out of saying that they haven't happened YET. If you give me unlimited time to wait for any improbably event to happen then I can just about any brash statement and wait for eternity to eventually prove me right.
The last two thousand years are rife with folks that thought they had it figured out...made brash predictions only to have them fail (millerites anyone? Millinium fever at 1000 AD and at 2000 AD, Pat Robertson and 1981, etc)
There is the example in the last couple of posts of you guys putting Nuclear bombs and Countries that didn't exist 2500 years ago in there and the list could fill volumes of other assumptions, inferences and just plain over-blown imagination being used to fill in what is not there. And there is always the available ready out of just "rightly dividing" the word of GOD. Son, if it is infallable you would have to set and add stuff to it...it would be there...you wouldn't have to make it up as you go along.

 

You're wrong. Many people believe similar things.

So you are saying the statement "God is smart enough to get you to do what God wants you to do even if you won't obey direct commands from God" contradicts the bible?

God constantly adds to our knowledge and wisdom. The word God could give us as a child is simplistic and even incorrect from a more mature standpoint (although it is sometimes necessary to give children a resting place on the way to the truth).

But they do not have to be congruent with your <lack of> understanding of the Bible. Often, it seems that you are hostile to everything I say even when it is in complete accordance with biblical teaching. You should not let your personal animosity get in the way of your learning. Not every teacher will congratulate you for being wrong in order to encourage you to pursue your studies <I am not your natural parents>.

 

In Ezekiel chapters 37, 38, and 39, it states that in the latter days nations will rise up to destroy Israel. Many of the nations mentiond in the Bible are nations that are Islamic today. 2,000 years after the death of Christ, we find the Jews back in Israel, and we find they are in control of Jerusalem. Just as the Bible stated they would be. We now have the Leader of Iran Mr. Ahmadinejad saying the Jews should pack up and leave. He is now saying Islamic nations and others could isolate Israel and its supporters. I wonder if this Islamic leader knows this is what the Bible states they would do. Yet the Bible tells us when these nations come to destroy the Jews. God will rise up and destroy 5 sixths of their invadeing army.
The Bible speaks of the future before the future happens. Those who try and say the prophecies were never fulfilled, are mistaken, because the prophecies are for the future, and not the past. At the same time these prophecies are being fulfilled, the Bible also states that Jerusalems East Gate will remain sealed. The Moslems have tried twice to open that Gate to break the prophecy. They failed to do so on both attempts. If these prophecies were false, the East Gate would of been opened up long ago. Yet the East Gate remains sealed. The East Gate will remained sealed, until the God of all creation comes to open it. Gods third day is getting closer. Give your life to Christ before that day arrives.

 

Russia was not mentioned, but the tribes that setteled in Russia were. Gog and Maygog, ect. The Book of Revelation, and Jermiah, states that Babylon will be destroyed by the northern nations. It states that all of Babylons cities will burn, and her end will come in one hours time. It states that her land will be complete polluted, and no one will ever be able to live in that land again. It goes so far as to say that it will be so polluted, that no one will even be able to return to that land to remove even a stone for a foundation. The Bible tells us Babylon is a land that dwells on many waters, has a destroying mountain, has her own personal sea, has the ability to mount up into heaven, has a large jewish population, is a land that is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, is a land of mingled people, and will exist in the day when the Jews are returning to Israel and Jerusalem. God tells us that it is the land that glorifies herself, and her people are the most proud. If you follow all the clues laid down in the Scriptures, there is only one nation that fills this bill. Like it or not, America is it. There are many more discriptions give in Scripture for Babylon, and America fills all of them.

 

Don't you know that God could have given the name America to Daniel and all those other prophets?

 

Don't you know that God could have given the name Jesus Christ to Daniel and all those other Old Testament prophets? But He diden't. God describes people and places, and that is common in the Old Testament. Anyone can copy a name, to copy hundreds of events is much harder to do, if not impossible.

 

God is allowing the Jews to return to Israel to take peace away from the world.
God tells us He is allowing the jews to return not for their sakes, because they polluted His name where ever they wandered. God is doing this for His Holy name. God brought the Jews back to Israel so the nations of the world would rise up and try to destroy the Jewish state. God gave the land to the Jews, the world forgot that, and Gods promises are forever. The World will soon find this out. So will the Jews.

Zechariah 12,2. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

 

You don't think there is a miniscule chance that the prophecies were about the Babylonian empire, that at the time was the most powerful empire in the region (and talked about in much of the OT and OT prophecies, not to mention I think it was where Daniel lived, wasn't it?)?

 

You really have to take the time and read the prophecies. The Babylon which is spoken of in the Old Testament prophecies is built on many waters. Old Babylon was built in the desert. As you read the prophecies and there is quite a number of them, you soon discover that they do not fit the Babylon of ages past. Also these prophecies are found and in some cases worded the same in the New Testament. The Book of Revelation speaks of this coming distruction and you will find that in Revelation chapter 18, and this is long after Daniel. When you put the prophecies from the Old Testament together with the prophecies found in the New Testament speaking of Babylon, the meaning becomes understandable. It requires both the Old and New Testaments together to understand the prophecy.

 

whether or not it is going to happen dosen't matter, it hasen't happened yet, im sorry.

 

"The month of September hasn't happened yet... I'm sorry"


They will say, 'Where is this "coming" he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation" (2 Peter 3:4).