the jewish people were invented by the zionist

PlacidDingo,

Just curious as to exactly what your point is.

 

I answered that question, incidentally.

 

I don't recall the . . . incident.

 

You asked who was responsible for the illegal settlements.

I gave an answer (illegal settlers).

Sorry if that's ambiguous.

 

It’s not a hard question…read my lips :cuss: “the Israeli government is responsible for the illegal settlements”

Hotwater

 

they first appeared after the six day war of 1967, since then the Israeli government has been fairly inconsistent with a lot of them, protecting and promoting them one day, forcibly removing their occupants the next. they recognise some of them, and not others. whole situation's such a headache.

and of course, their illegality is contested hotly, although its fairly plain that they constitute a violation of the fourth geneva convention.

 

They do it deliberately to cover up their pattern of behavior, It’s quite ingenious actually



hotwater

 

Yes, they are definitely a violation of the fourth Geneva Convention.

I guess my question is: If these illegal settlements are being constructed at this moment as we speak on stolen Palestinian land, what is the justification of the international community for allowing such blatant violations to occur, time and time again without sanctioning them for failure to comply with U.N. Security Council resolutions?

 

the loss of life which would inevitably occur from military intervention or economic sanctions? awareness of the incredibly fragile and historically volatile socio-political background of the region and an unwilling-ness to stick their respective oars in it? theres pretty much nothing i can see them doing which wouldn't make the situation worse and i don't think they have any ideas either. they tried sending fucking marmite to the gaza strip once, because they thought that it had calming properties. thats an act of desperation if ever i heard one.

and marmite tastes of arse.

 

And yet we sanction countries left and right for failure to comply with U.N. resolutions. Why the special treatement?

It almost sounds like you're saying that the consequences of making Israel straighten up and fly right would be far too serious, and that it's best to just let them go about and do as they will.

You think the U.S. and company have not stuck their oars in the affairs of the region?

 

What prevents the UN from intervening? Two words “Holocaust Guilt”

The Nazis were simply the tools by which millions of Jews were exterminated - every nation was complicit to some extent and we're all still paying for it.

One day they’ll lose their trump card :2thumbsup:


Hotwater

 

The illegal settlers, the state of Israel for failing to intervene and essentially sanctioning the settlements, and Israel's allies for turning a blind eye to the problem.

 

its hardly special treatment. think of all the countries with histories of human rights violations and violations of international law that we don't dream of intervening in because it costs too much or is too problematic. there are genocides being carried out RIGHT NOW that the international community is unwilling to even recognise apart from to sternly condemn, and then ignore.

and "problematic" wouldn't even BEGIN to describe what would happen in the middle east if we intervened in Israel.

a strong israel on the US' side is central to their foreign policy with regards to the middle east.

I'm not saying that its right, or moral. but then, international politics under the current system rarely is. and i genuinely don't see a course of action in the region which wouldn't destabilise the region entirely and lead to many, many deaths.

destabilising the middle east to such an extent would be completely counter-productive to the US, which is why they have the Negroponte doctrine (since 2002) to vote against UN resolutions on the issue which condemn Israel while not condemning terrorist groups like Hamas.

anyway, i just wanna make it clear that i don't think that the US foreign policy towards israel ISN'T self serving and immoral, but i DO think that it is unwise to imagine that this self-serving, immoral stance is an exception being made for israel, rather, its a little closer to being the rule.

 

I've told you 4 times. You won't acknowledge my answer, because what you WANT to hear is apparently some Nazi shit about "international Jewry" or some such nonsense.

 

That's clearly the case. I think "Storch" would feel more at ease within the hive mind over at Stormfront, where he would have received the answer he was looking for right off the bat. I'm indifferent to what people think about certain ethnic and/or religious groups, but at least come out with it directly instead of this sneaky, roundabout innuendo.

 

Yeah, they're still reaping innumerable benefits from the exploitation of a so-called "genocide" that at best has been greatly exaggerated, if not a complete hoax.

Look who's talking.

 

cthulhu,

Roundabout innuendo?? I said that Israel is stealing Palestinian land as we speak. If that was innuendo, I'm curious to hear your idea of an out-and-out accusation.

I think that if you were capable of looking a little further than your knee-jerk reaction to Israeli issues is allowing you, you'd see that the answer to the question of who is responsible for Israel's illegal settlements is the U.S. Unanamous votes at the UN Security Council to come down on Israel are consistently vetoed by the U.S.

On a related issue, you don't suppose you're a victim of some kind of a hive-mind mentality when it comes to seeing Israeli issues straight, do you? I mean, the answer to the question of who is responsible is quite obvious if you're not blinded by defensiveness . . . don't you think?

 

For example, Mayor Salt understood the question and was well aware of the answer. He didn't find the need to try to redirect the discussion. You, on the other hand, did. You tried to make it appear as if my question--who is responsible for the illegal settlements--was an anti-semitic slur.

You know that's an old trick, right? That's old-hat. Kinda reminds me of . . . sneaky, roundabout innuendo.

 

Autophobe,

You say it is not special treatment. Yet when it comes to any hardship Israel would face as a result of having sanctions or outright force used on them to convince them that stealing other people's land will not be tolerated, you yourself are saying that that would be unworkable as it would cause untold suffering.

I would call that special treatment when held against the treatment of others who thumb their noses at reasonable Security Council Resolutions. I would cite the 500,000 civilians (most of which were woman and children) who died as a result of draconian style sanctions against the people of Iraq in the early nineties.

 

Whatever. If I wanted this "answer me until you say teh JOOOOOZ" shit, I'd head over to stormfront or some other Nazi board.

Well done.

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