the great question

he's saying that nothing does not exist. matter does not come from nothing, that's like if i were to make an apple magically appear in my hand.

I'm guessing your saying that first there's something, then there's nothing, then what comes next? Right?

In which case the answer is something esle, this is only a two party concept. All that exists falls under the catagory of being something, and all that does not is under the catagory of being nothing, for it is not in existance.

I agree with you in your saying that nothing is supreme, because everything that can exist and does exist started as nothing before it became something. But don't confuse what I'm saying, I'm not saying that it didn't exist, (like the magically appearing apple analogy I gave earlier) but that it existed in a different form.

nothing ever dissapears it just changes form, like clouds.

 

I believe there was already book on creation.... Genesis

That is where you'll find the answers to ur questions

 

What gives the book of Genesis its credibility, insofar as staking your reputation as an intelligent and rational individual on it?

 

....the same goes with the Purva Bhaag from the Hindu Puranas.

For your own personal information, these scriptures were written a couple thousand years before anyone considered to accumulate literature to be placed in the Bible.

Hell, you can even make up your own story of "creation" for all I care. Everyone has the capability to be right when it comes to these sorts of things. I guess...

 

BUT ONLY ONE IS TRULY INSPIRED BY THE WORD OF GOD

 

The prophesy of the moshiach, which I have already discussed, the only prophesy applicable to him. Why do I even try with you? Do you even listen? You're avoiding my question. Which prophesies did he actually fulfil? You can't just give me a random quote from jesus and say it's proof, he hasn't actually stated the prophesies, and just because he says he has doesn't mean he stacks up. Look at me I'll do it too:

. Hate to compare myself to jesus, but I'd have to say I can justify my quote more than he can.

Lets look at the prophesies relating to jesus which were actually geniunely written before jesus, which jesus adhered to, which are accepted by nearly everyone as properly interpreted passages (ie not cut out randomly and stuck together to sound messianic)

• Isaiah 2, 11 (bad people will be punished. didn't happen.), 42; 59:20
• Jeremiah 23, 30 ("For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord; and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." jews are back in israel now, jesus would have had to lead an armed rebellion against the romans, which some say he did try to do. either way he didn't fulfil the prophesy), 33; 48:47; 49:39
• Ezekiel 38:16
• Hosea 3:4-3:5 (the people of israel will go without worship/sacrifice etc for many days, then return to worship. didn't happen in jesus' lifetime)
• Micah 4
• Zephaniah 3:9 ("For then will I turn to the people a pure language" unity and a pure language? We're not all speaking hebrew, nor are we united, sorry.)
• Zechariah 14:9 (the messiah will build/rebuild the temple)
• Daniel 10:14

I'm not going to go through them all, but interpretations are: http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_index.htm which isn't the best site, but yeh. I chose it because it is written from a christian perspective (calvin himself) and it isn't attempting to prove of disprove jesus as the messiah, so I figured it wouldn't be selective and biased like nearly all of the sites i got when i did as you said and typed in "messianic prophesies"

 

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well, jesusdiedforu just quotes his father, and other ignorant elitest "christians", downs any other sets of beliefs without any reason, and just generally ignores anyone when he cant go around their question or post a bible passage that is related to the topic in question.

while i have no knowledge about michigin, i hope grand rapids does have some grand rapids. please fall into them, because the world would be a happier place without evangilical ignorant pieces of shit like you. sorry to be so blunt, but im in a bad mood. and you and youre father (unless youre one person playing a game) are a plague on this forum.

 

uhm...ok.

 

Okay, I refute them......?

Insofar as I have the exclusive communication line to the Almighty, I command you to change your personal spiritual beliefs immediately, and believe exactly whatever I decide is the correct interpretation of whichever one of the multitude of scriptures in the world that I, in my infinite and infallible reason, say is the ONE TRUE RELIGION.
If you refuse to join me and my most righteous mates, I am compelled to warn you that the most hideous tortures the worst criminal minds that have ever lived will be enacted upon your person for no less a period of time than a googleplex to the power of a googleplex millenia. That is a fairly long time, I might add. I am right and you are wrong, that is what I know God wants.

 

The prophecies you just quoted were not to be fulfilled in Jesus day, they were for a future time. Even befored Jesus was murdered on the cross He spoke of the coming destruction of Jerusalen and the temple. The beginning of the captivity of the Jews in Israel is happening now, and their return is happening as the bible predicted. The bible clearly states that the Jews would take Juda or south Israel first which they did in 1948, second Jerusalem woud be taken, it was in 1967. Also the bible states that the East Gate that leads to the temple mount would have another gate built on it, it does. Then the second gate would be sealed , it is. Also the bible states that no matter who tries to break throught that gate their attempts will fail. Two attempts were made by Moslems to break through the gate and destroy the prophecy. Once in 1917 and once in 1967, both attempts failed as the bible said they would. The bible also states the gate will only be opened when Jesus Christ returns and He alone will be able to walk through that gate. This gate is still sealed today. The bible states that a third temple will be built and animal sacrifice will happen again, plans are already in the works to build the third temple. And after this temple is built, a forth temple will be built by God Himself.

 

Actually you seem to be the one who has no answers, yet because we do have answers, you call us ignorant elitest Christians . You really need to take some time out and try to figure out what it is you really believe in, and why. Don't fault other's because of your lack. And please tell me what question was it, that I have not answered. Jesus said you do not hide your light under a basket, sorry if it's getting a little to bright in here for you.

 

cuz you think you do, that is why. You don't have answers for me.

'Do not comment on the speck in your brothers eye, instead remove the fucking log from your own eye.' Yeshua Ben Joseph (not exactly verbatim)

 

One might advise you to do the same.

 

Actually you can prove those prophecies, because of the finding of the dead sea scrolls which are as old as Christ Himself and older. These scrolls existed before there was a church, and what they have found is the bible we have today matches these scrolls. The prophecies in the scrolls were there before Christ walked on the earth. And He fulfilled the 300 in question. These scrolls could not of been rewritten, or messed with because they are falling apart as it is, yet the evidence is there for all to see.

 

ya, and they call Paul a liar.

 

Sorry, God is right on time, His whistle is blowing and His prophetic engine is about to pull into the station. If you don't read His schedule, His train will leave you behind. Create any God you want, there is only one engineer on this railroad, Jesus Christ.

 

Not taking any sides here, but what do you make of all the items that were found in what used to be The Red Sea? To me even if you don't believe in God, how can one dispute the findings. Proves to me that God parted it.

 

santorini erupting caused a tidal wave, that is my view on what made the water recede so far.

 

Out of all, I think that God must have come first.

The chicken came before the egg.

God created humans, or, from another angle, perhaps evolution created humans. I was never one to consider evolution before, and I still have mixed feelings on the subject, but after reading one of Carl Sagan's books, "The Dragons of Eden", I began to see things from a different side of the fence, so-to-speak. I found it particularly amazing how he spoke of embryotic growth, and the phases in which it resembled different things. Very intruging. Do I believe it to be 100% correct, not necessarily, but still, it is very engaging to ponder.

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