The great Foxhunting debate

okay thats your opinion, which yuo get the free speech from our human rights to say so. i would disagree enitlely, i believe every human deserves their rights, could you explain what you mean by 'overcrowding nonsense', they are overcrowded but what do you plan o do, take away their rights and it will make it all better. of course they must get their exersise, they might possibly go mad if hey didn't get out every now and again.

so you would pick and choose from your preference what stays in athe human rights act? who chooses, maybe we decide to take away rights they may affect you, who will argue for heir rights then?

i am a strong opposer to the death penalty, always have been and always will be, i believe it is a sign of a civilised place to not allow it. i believe it very very cruel to execute a person, i see it as been hypocritical, you can say nothing that will get me to agree that the state which we belong to can murder somebody in my name. we do not live in a dictatorship and i hope we never do, so hopefully your changes will never be brought in

can i also ask why you are on this site with such views, this is a hippie place, where we believe in peace and not cruely, here is your answer- freedom, you can do, never give up your freedom for security or you never know what could be taken away in the future

 

Because you or i are unable to see the bigger picture... fucked ass system as it is .. it would not matter what system orchestrated this ...it would not please all.

It was getting to a point that it was taking more time than was needed.. a resolution of your feelings and those that hunted..needed to be resolved..


I never said it was or was not cruel.. that was not my point.. if you're not a vegan than anything you say about ''cruelty'' is hypocritical..

One ore two pragmatic MPs trying to keep your point and mine and hundreds if not thousands of other POVs happy... yes hundreds voted on one or two points raised by those few MPs..

P.S..those dogs ARE a darn site more cuddly...

 

I think that fox hunting isnot humane, it is like roosters fights! I dont know what is the joy that a sane adult has by killing other animals and cute animals like foxes in particular!


I had a fennec fox, she was nice and lovely, but died by herself and I regretted loosing her!

 

I'ts nothing like that at all..

Ultimately it is about countryside maintenace.. i guess it has become a 'sport'..but the goals are the same as ever..



It is more humane that leaving snares.. or shooting them in the night..and letting them die in agony.. Or leaving poison down to kill other animals .

The point you have to remember is that foxes are deemed as a pest by farmers .. they kill stock and create a issue for the farmers.. they MUST be kept under control some how... Even the RSPCA and RSPCB cull foxes.. If they were left.. would you be concerned if you read they had killed hundreds of chikens or other farm animals.. or devastated other animal species ??. It is not all about killing aimlessly like roosters.. there is ultimately a point.

Other point is with out fox hunting.. the countryside in this country would be worse..

 

I accept some people might consider that foxes need to be controlled, I just don't see why they have to have this huge long labourious cruel method for doing it.

On the other hand, I agree with not taking away people's rights to do stuff. I guess basically I wish everyone in the world wouldn't have the desire to do such stuff, but then when would it end?

 

You are happy with fox hunting (cruel) but not the death penalty for humans (also kind of cruel). Your way is peaceful? Not for the foxes.

I do actually like the idea of peace but I think people that commit heinous crimes obviously don't like other people enjoying their peace so maybe they should be removed.

As for overcrowding, who cares whether a murderer gets their exercise. They had a choice right at that moment when they chose to kill their victim. I merely propose preventing them destroying someone elses peace.

Cruel to be kind so to speak. Maybe we could change the whole fox hunting sport whereby we use murderer and let them run with a pack of dogs after them.

Incidentally now the UK are going to kill millions of grey squirrels so that the red ones have more chance of survival. I'm betting that millions of grey squirrels die and the population of red squirrels is the same afterwards.

 

excuse, did you miss this whole arguament, when was i for fox hunting, i said it was totally cruel, i love all life, i wouldn't never dream of saying killing or hurting an animal was okay. please read my posts for my view before you say such a thing. how can you say the death penalty is okay but not fox hunting, i think that is VERY cruel also, also hypocritical, you are punishing a human, as fox hunters punish foxes who may take their cops, both are wrondg, full stop in my opinion.

people should not be removed, i have a very strong belief in this, how can a civilised state (the state not you, the corruptable, changing state) have such a power. all life is precious and has a chance to change.

i care if a murderer gets exercise because they are human and demand rights, i disagree with that did, but its LIFE.

oh yeah i know about the grey squirrels, same as they are executing lots of people in some nations in the hope it will put off others, and you are right, it probably won't make a difference
peacex

 

I bet your opinion would change drastically if some nutter burst into your house and raped, beat and murdered your wife, mother, sister, daughter etc.

 

oh such a mature arguament you use, i'm sorry did i pint out how i though you were hypocritical and then you didn't like it so you have to result to a childish reply.
ill play devils advocate though- what if your livlehood and feeding your children depended on your crop and raising chickena and those murdering foxes made your faily starve so you couldn't afford the bills.

and so you do not get confused- i am against fox hunting, i am giving a what if- to prove your hypocritical nature.

and please do not try and use personal displays as such and you do not decide what happens when such a case gets to court- the court decides. there is a difference between your view on who affects you personaly and other cases

 

I think we should let the families of people affected by crime decide the fate of the criminal. What is immature about that argument?

I'd like to see the crime stats before and after capital punishment to see whether there is now more crime (as a percentage, not as a figure because there are more people now) that there is no capital punishment.

If you need to cull foxes is ripping them to pieces with dogs really the nicest way we can think of doing it. And isn't rubbing the blood of said fox going over the top.

 

oh right that is sensible, give the family the option, do you know how many people would be hung for ust burglary, or mugging. it is very immature, because you used my family, i'm sorry i didn't realise people your age would use such reasoning.

also are you suggesting people cannot change? once you have committed a crime you have chosen your life path, if the victims chose the punshment the prisons will be full of life sentences for minor crimes.

america is a prime example, they have a higher crime rate, and the death penalty does not put the murderers, rapists etc off, if some body is that determined the consequence are not taken in that much.

i repeat again, i hate fox hunting, i am for animal rights, i get involved in animal rights.

 

If only it was that easy.. justice would not be fair though imho.

1950 - 7.9
1955 - 6.3
1960 - 6.2
1965 - 6.8 (Death Penalty abolished )
1970 - 8.1
1975 - 10.3
1980 - 12.5
1985 - 12.5
1990 - 13.1
1995 - 14.5
2000 - 14.1

I't supposedly costs more to execute a criminal than to put same person in prison for LIFE..
I am FOR the death penalty in principle.. very medieval i am with ''crime and punishment''.. but it is too flawed to be practicle.. and far to many people sit on death row for years ..it loses the degree of deterent and becomes slightly vengeful.. which i disagree with.

I am not sure if these figures reflect the increase in reported crime..?

No i don't think it is that pleasant.. i would like to think it is a quick nip to the back of the neck.. but i appreciate it's not always going to be this way.. That is a very valid point i don't forget.. and i have to admit find troubling .

It is a just like calling them ''cute'' though ..very emotive talk.