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Obama is the Tyrannt. He's sponsored by those 'evil' 1%ers, and he's using his power to take our Freedom away. And liberals happily follow "Foward!" Right? March into slaughter, and "don't pay attention to people telling you tyranny is right around the corner."~OBAMA

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Big Brother knows best!

 

Bush and his "patriot act" nonsense was the one who threatened to take this country in the direction of 1984 territory. If you must draw the comparison, you can start with Bush.

And no, these presidents are not "all the same". That would be very convenient to think so however. Very convenient.

The truth is we all have power to sway this government, a small degree of power, each of us, which most are willing to waive out of laziness or because they've decided their vote is useless, and there is no point to even considering politics. You seem like a pretty literate guy so I'm not saying you're lazy, but perhaps you really have been made to feel powerless, or that the situation is hopeless.

But if you read a little more about what positive changes programs like Obamacare are bringing to this country (22 million Americans can afford insurance who no couldn't before) you would see that change is happening, and in my opinion, it's change in the right direction.

"Nothing changes" couldn't be further from the truth. Compare the strides we've made in environmentalism, civil rights, religious tolerance, health care, occupational assistance, etc. A lot of opportunities are now available to the poor and underprivileged that were not here in the past.

But it takes tax money to fund these programs. So that 20% you say you pay in taxes to the government represents a modest contribution that goes towards benefiting the country as a whole.

Think of the good that money does, and the increased good that money represents, as we continue to work on regulating these programs, cutting what doesn't help, creating what will, etc. It's a work in progress but to say both parties are the same is just saying "I waive my right to be involved in the course this country takes".

 

Obama re-enstated the Patriot Act TWICE! He also signed NDAA, HR347, NDRP and, CISPA. Which is FAR worse than Bushes one silly law (that obama loves)

 

didnt he (or she?) say specifically that taxes should be raised on the richest 1%?

don't you think the very rich should be paying their fair share of taxes?

 

He was just defending his point of view at the juncture of some Republicans arguing that there was better investment for some of the rich business's when their taxes would be reduced. I was not a general comment. In fact, as the over all policy goes the Democrats are for reducing taxation in the long run. They simply aren't into convinced austerity.:afro:

 

^ don't speak for me.

 

I think the government IS the 1% (as Washington DC is the richest township in the USA.) I also believe it's foolish to assume the government will tax themselves. I think Liberal inadvertently support raising taxes on everyone, cause like republicans, you can't learn to live within our means and CUT spending for once. That's why I say there's no difference between Dems and Cons. They both support More government, more waste, more printing and, more taxes. You may think you don't support the war on terror, or the war on drugs, but your candidate does...

 

Obama did want to raise taxes on anybody who made $250K Gross a year, and that would've included himself, but Republicans blocked him, and only compromised on those who make $1 Million a year Gross.

The President's salary is 400K a year.

So that accusation falls flat on it's face.

 

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Tell me about the Blue State millionaires writing-off all of the Real Estate taxes on their McMansions, Shilling for President Obama all of the time. Such BS.

If The President actually did intend to tax these people their support for him would dry up. Jersey Guys like The Boss: Bruce Springsten and his big write-offs.

American Wealth is concentrated mostly in The Blue States. Sure Warren Buffet lives in Omaha. Texas and Florida are rich. Look at wealth concentrated in NY, NJ. Connecticut, Mass., California, Maryland. Illinois.

Blue State Democrat, tax thyself.

 

It does not! Politics is a show. Most of the 1% are probably on tax exempt status, and don't pay taxes at all. Plus, if he's against the rich, why did they overwhelmingly support him? Obama is a liar and an ACTOR. It's not "republicans" blocking him, the powers that be wouldn't allow any law like that to pass. He probably just did it for show.

And 400k? Yeah Right, he gets millions in bribes. he's the puppet, the show guy. I can't believe you Liberals believe anything out of his mouth after all his fucking lies. His whole white house staff is Investment bankers and, lobbyists!! He's killed American Citizens, re enstated the patriot act and, is attempting to take our constitution. Oh, but he "tried" to tax the rich more.

 

Behavior in the House of Representatives, and voting records that everyone could see on C-Span, says otherwise.

Warren Buffet, is also on record saying that his tax bracket should be raised.

Not every rich person in the USA is a greedy person who doesn't care about the rest of the country's infrastructure.


Bribes? Prove names specifics.

 

Jp Morgan, Goldman Sachs, the Israel Lobby and, many MANY more.

It's not about greed- it's about government waste. They dump trillions of dollars into pointless programs- and we're broke. Taxing/spending more is counter-productive. But like I said, Idc anymore. You can learn when you wake up and the dollar is worthless.

 

Just exactly what is a fair share?

 

I agree with most of what you are saying but, we need to present the true facts. The last year I have data from the IRS is the 2009 tax year in which the IRS shows the following related to individual tax returns.
The total AGI from which tax was collected from individual returns
amounted to $7,825,389,000,000, providing a total revenue collection of $865,863,000,000, made up of from the following:
Top 1%.....$318,043,000,000 = 36.73%
Next 4%....$189,864,000,000 = 21.93%
Next 5%....$102,249,000,000 = 11.81%
Next 15%...$145,747,000,000 = 16.83%
Next 25%....$90,449,000,000 = 10.45%
Bottom 50%..$19,511,000,000 = 2.25%
Based on that the top 5% of earners, those with an AGI of $154,643 or more, paid 58.66%, or more than half the tax paid by individuals. The top 1% of returns 1,739,822 of them, with an AGI of $343,927 or more, paid 36.73%.
Noting that this does not take into account all returns filed, but only those from which revenues was collected by the IRS, eliminating those which had no tax liability or received a refund greater than the tax withheld.

Now, who was it that brought up paying a 'fair share'?

 

Well, but then you have businesses, who are only still in business because of Government. I wouldn't care if they went to prison, and lost all their money. They robbed the people, and they deserve some type of reprecussions for getting us into wars and stealing our money..

Liberals do have some validity behind their anger toward the 1%; the bankers and lobbyist have killed our soldiers for profit and political gain. Those people deserved to be tried for high treason, putting taxes totally aside.

 

I am with Individual here: what is a "fair share"?

 

They could, sure. I don't think they would though. Anyway, I just wanted to see how far you were willing to go in order to see the possibility of employee owned business being the norm. Thank you for clarifying.

 

Everybody should pay something, Everybody. Then we can speak of fairness