The founding fathers were slave owners

lol, calling poster Conservationist, Conservationist please report to the floor and defend this. That is all.

 

Where do the founding fathers fit in?

 

We were referring to the lingering effects of racism.

However among other things, the Texas school board "even tried to remove Thomas Jefferson from a list of American history's key thinkers. He was one of the founding architects of the modern philosophy of church/state separation, as well as the author of that obscure document called the Declaration of Independence. So naturally he had to go. That move failed."

...Fucking Fascist Theocrat's tried to remove my favorite pot smokin' atheist prez...
I guess certain founding fathers that don't represent the Christian reconstructionist ideal that this country was founded on christian values, will simply be wiped from the history books.

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UPDATE: The full board gave its final approval shortly after 5:30 p.m. to the entire social studies curricula -- K-high school -- largely on a party-line vote with Republicans in the majority. After months of fractious hearings and debate, the social studies curricula were adopted. (ZW We got Jefferson back, but not Madison)

Board member Cynthia Dunbar set the stage for today's meeting with an opening prayer describing America as "a Christian land governed by Christian principles."
"I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses," Dunbar said in her prayer. "I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country."

"The problem is America is moving toward a Fascist Theocracy"
Frank Zappa on CNN's Crossfire in 1986

ZW

 

Karl Marx is the refounding father, and I don't believe he was a slave owner.

 

So, your excuse for the genocide and enslavement of the Native Americans by white christians is "other people did it first?" I'll try that defense next time I get a speeding ticket.

My ancestors who walked the "Trail of Tears" would have been so relieved to know this as they watched their friends and family die horrible deaths.

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Children who haven't been taught about race don't even notice the differences in their skin colors. Segregation is a learned behavior.

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It’s no coincidence that in every encounter which eventually led to war between europeans and native americans, was preceded by an outbreak of either smallpox, typhoid, measles, diphtheria, or a wide variety of other diseases which devastated the indigenous populations making them ripe for conquest

Hotwater

 

I still own my property and CEOs still make $50 and $100 million+ bonuses; so, your reference to America as a socialist country is bullshit.

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And the clergy told their flocks that this was God's way of "clearing the land for them." Not to mention the infected blankets that were given to the natives to help God with this project.

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Come on i’m sure the euros had no idea the blankets were disease infected; and it was only meant as a gift for the sachem


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It's a slow process and I didn't say it was completed.
I nearly forgot, Socialism doesn't eliminate the wealthy, you won't find a poor person at the head of any government.

 

I'm quite sure you are wrong about that.

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Socialism is a word thrown around by Republicans who lost the election in an attempt to manipulate the political landscape. It's just another attempt at McCarthyism.

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Perhaps I should have just said Marxism.

 

In today's political climate, they're interchangeable. Today's conservative voter thinks Marx was a comedian and Lenin is something he sleeps on.

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Makes for a good joke, but the thought systems put forward remain even though the popular intellect doesn't keep up.

 

Just a question, would you like to see the U.S. changed into a Communist country?

 

I'm not in favor of Communism or Socialism, but I am for social programs within a controlled Capitalistic framework.

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Would it not, or perhaps even better yet, should it not be best for such programs to be a choice that emanated from the bottom upward? Having 50, maybe 51 states soon, such experiments carried out in just a few locations provides a means of control in which failures can be limited while successes can be quickly enacted where they are proven. Massive experiments applied to the Nation as a whole can easily have catastrophic effects. States would be well within their sovereign rights with the consent of a Democratic majority of its constituents to create such social programs. Was it not Massachusetts that created a socialized state health care program?

Another question: Which states provide the Federal government MORE revenue than they receive back from the Federal government?

 

No, the federal government created the first socialized medicine system with medicare. Mass doesn't have socialized medicine, there's no public option, you're required to have private insurance, if your income is below a certain level you get a large state grant.

Also for which states provide more than they receive back, it's ironically mostly the states that complain about "socialism" as the southern and mid-western states on generally the poorest with most people on aid/in most need of federal development. There was a famous graph during th e 2004 election called red state socialism that showed this, but I'm trying to find the one from the tax foundation since they do it yearly and with more in depth numbers.