The founding fathers were slave owners

I think I'd have to side with the Supreme Court on driving. For safety reasons, and the protection of the rights of all, driving is a privilege that I might look at as a right only provided and maintained through the laws, meet the required age, display understanding of the traffic laws, and display the ability to operate a vehicle for which a license is issued and you then have a right which can be exercised until which time you break a law which allows for the removal of that privilege.

The driver being stopped, should or should not have to produce any documents?

Should robbing banks be acceptable as long as the amount stolen doesn't disturb the economy of the Nation?
In the case of the employer, what might he have done if it was impossible to obtain any "Mexicans"?

Were they legal or illegal? Of course you admitted that was not your responsibility, but it almost sounds like you could make a case for deporting Americans and replacing them with Hispanics. When you say Americans, does that indicate "white" or all colors? When asked on polls or surveys in the past I've always written "human" as the answer to race. We put too much effort into concentrating on the differences between individuals, as if even the irrelevant differences need to be described as good or bad.

So I assume nothing was done? I had some Thai friends in San Francisco, and found out that they knew some Thai women who remained in the U.S. after their visas had expired and were working at a Thai restaurant for a Thai who had become a U.S. citizen. He owed several of his employees back wages and they were unable to force him to pay them being they were living there illegally. I was able to create a threatening fictitious legal document warning him that his U.S. citizenship was being threatened due to an anonymous complaint that had been received by us which would be acted upon if the complaint remained unsolved. All a hoax, but it resulted in the women receiving their back pay, and keeping their jobs as he never found out who the source was.

I was just kidding you, and I know looking the other way happens all the time. Corruption abounds in the U.S., but I have to admit it happens everywhere else too. It seems to be an issue of how much we will accept.

 

Every Christian Bible that has been shoved in my face had an Old Testament in it. And, aren't Christians raving about finding Noah's Arc? Ham was one of Noah's sons.

There's a reason that Christians use the Old Testament, Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

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Kinda sounds like the way it is now.

Driver's permit.

Wait a while and Wal-Mart will have them at a discount. Seriously, though, how about paying a wage that fits the job so more Americans can do it and earn enough money to buy food, lodging and health care.

Americans come in all colors.

I got laid off in Oct. 2008 and the project was winding down for lack of funding.

The effort to correct a problem must be less than the effort to live with it. Or put another way, as long as it costs more to fix it, it stays broke.

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Agreed.

Are illegal aliens permitted to obtain drivers licenses (permits)?

Sounds good to me. Then might we agree that illegal aliens, by performing work at substandard wages allow employers to keep wages below that which Americans might do the work if only it paid more?

So why do we make a point of prefacing the word American so often? I can't say that I've ever heard of African-Germans, Hispanic-Germans, Asian-Germans, or other countries prefixed with those words. The use of prefixes tends to set us apart from one another, and not bring us together as simply Americans. It would also appear to me that the prefix tends to take precedence over the suffix which only compounds the problems it creates. The same goes for rich-Americans, and poor-Americans, and nearly any other words used as a prefix to American.

Poor sales due to the shrinking economy?

And to put it even another way, we can let a problem grow to the point that it would be so costly to fix that we give ourselves no option other than to live with it as costly as it may be. Too bad that wasn't thought of when bailing out GM, Chrysler, and the Financial Institutions. I think I could have easily lived with the demise of all of them. Nothings too big to fail, including nations.

 

Maybe in Tennessee, not really sure.

I've watched the job market and wages both fall here in Georgia.

I wasn't aware that I did that unless the sentence or the conversation demanded it. I'll watch for that now.

A government subsidized project and the government cut the funding off when the economy collapsed.

I agree, the USSR.

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I just ran across something today that mentioned that New York had given thought to allowing illegal immigrants to acquire drivers licenses, although I don't know that it got any further than that.

You'd be more aware of the facts than I as I've been away for well over a decade now, but my wages back then increased annually.

I wasn't speaking of you in particular, but in the news, and frequently in conversations. In my case it would take a paragraph to list all the linkages to my ancestry, and it has no significant meaning to me.

Perhaps the money was needed to be used elsewhere?

Good example, but I've been told by others that the U.S. could never collapse. Although I would like that to be true, I remain a little pessimistic.

 

From what you've said here your job is not one that would be affected by illegal immigrants, at least directly.

I like to think that Obama will fix the problems caused by Bush II like Clinton did with the Problems caused by Bush I. I'm beginning to think that will not happen this time. Today, we have the very people who brought down the economy actively campaigning against fixing it, and fairly successfully.

America has fallen, and it can't get up.

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Not unless they had degrees.

That's the simplest way to look at the problem. Many problems, as well as solutions, that occur are often set in place to occur, knowingly or unknowingly by events put in place prior to their occurrence.

$12,858,362,052,660.49 and growing. The problem is government spending, the debt is too high and the only solutions are (1) cut spending, (2) raise taxes, (3) devalue the dollar. We may perceive a spending cut only by drastically increasing spending, as has been done currently, which allows it to appear to be reduced later, while in reality trending upward. Taxes, when raised more often promote additional spending instead of debt reduction. Devaluing the dollar occurs naturally as more are printed, and while making the government debt appear more affordable, it does so at a cost to the public at large.
Perhaps it's time for America to lie down, and not even try to get up. Opportunities exist elsewhere in the world, and perhaps one day it will be able to rise up again. As always, it is the smart investor who hedges his bets.

I view capitalism as a way to share the opportunity for success, without implicitly guaranteeing it.
Socialism, on the other hand, I view as sharing failure, as well as implicitly guaranteeing it.
A free market exists only when it is without controls. An educated people should be aware of what risks are economically, and learn from mistakes. Governments should creates laws that promote fairness, making unfair practices illegal and punishable, but not laws that attempt to promote equality through control. The consumer and the worker should be the primary source from which control is applied, not government, and not large businesses or corporations.

 

Is this that fancy conservative 2 step shuffle that means it was the previous administration, not me?

Here's an anology....I have cancer. I sold my house and everything in it and borrowed to my credit limit. Now, my accountant tells me that I have to stop spending or the business will go under.

Here's the question...Do I take his advice and stop my cancer treatments and save my business; or, do I spend more money on more treatments so I can live, and work on saving the business later?

Do you mean the way banks and corporations have been throwing pennies at the middle class while they take in truckloads of dollars? Or, do you mean how the middle class just shared almost a trillion $ with the rich corporations to bail their asses out of the fire they started?

I'd be happy with a socialist government, but, that is not where America is or where it is going. Socialism has become a hate word often preceeded by a comma with the word fascism preceeding it. Most people don't have a clue what the word means.

Are you joking? Free markets are what just crashed our economy; and the rich will take every dollar from the poor for as long as they are allowed to do so.

The poor and middle class have no economic risk other than loosing their jobs, they have no money left, the wealthy took it all.

I opened another checking account with a smaller state bank a couple of months ago. Although I haven't used the account much yet, I got a letter from them today giving me "Special" overdraft privilege. That means they will honor a check or debit card transaction if my balance is short. That's very nice of them, and only $28.95 for each transaction.

I once deposited money in my previous bank account, BB&T, on Friday knowing that I had 4 transactions on Monday morning. The statement listed the 4 debits (Monday), above the deposit (3 days earlier) allowing them to charge me $140.00 in overdraft fees. The money was in the bank, but the computers take the weekend off for posting deposits, but not for debits. This is a legal way for them to steal money from middle and poor Americans. This is what your uncontrolled Capitalism does.

The consumer and worker are the government and can only exercise control through their government.

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Isn't that essentially what Obama has told us? "This is a socialist mop!"

The nice thing about advice is that it isn't mandatory that you follow it. The final decision is yours, and yours alone to make.

You can avoid banks if you wish. It was government that shared nearly a trillion $ of taxpayers money, and I don't remember being asked by government if it was okay with me. Were you asked? I would have been quite happy to allow banks and other institutions and even corporations and businesses that were financially unsound to file bankruptcy under chapter 11, or chapter 7 as permitted by law.

I, and many others would not be happy with a socialist government. The idea behind being a free nation is that the individuals within it remain free and government only is given the power necessary to assure that all the people remain free to exercise their individual freedom. It is not the governments responsibility to assure any form of financial equality.

You mean government manipulated free markets?

If that were true, I'd be broke. Money only represents labor. If you were to eliminate money from existence we would barter with one another and the poor would be those who sat on their asses while the rich would be those who got off of theirs.

And just think of how many educated fools will take advantage of that offer. Maybe Bill Maher was correct when he said "Americans are stupid." If only government could mandate intelligence.

Read and understand the rules. My bank explicitly informed me in writing recently of a "change in funds availability" related to non cash deposits. It pays to read and understand any and all contracts you enter into. This is an area where I have little empathy for those who claim ignorance of the laws.

Only if allowed by the government. They are not one and the same. Government has a way of prevailing over the consumer and the worker.

 

Over the past several decades the economy has generally been better during the terms of Democratic presidents. Whenever this comes up in a debate the conservatives claim that it takes a few years for the policies of a president to be realized in the economic system, shifting the blame to previous Democratic presidents.

The problems that President Obama faces now were already existing at the time he took the job, making it clear that he did not create them.

I have several friends who refuse to deal with banks. I cash checks for them and pay for their on line purchases. The economic system is arranged in such a manner that one cannot avoid banks unless they live without commerce.

We are the government and we make choices on policy when we vote.

That was one course that was considered, but the major economists advised that a bailout was necessary, and most still agree in reflection.

Nobody is trying to make a Socialist government in America. Social programs do not make Socialism. No one is trying to bring about economic equity.

No, government failed to regulate excess and abuse.

We have elections quite regular in my neck of the woods. If the voters don't like the people running their government, they can hire a new crew. We, the people, always have the government we choose.

 

I don't think Presidents of either party deserve as much credit or blame for economic results as we often try to attribute to them.

While I agree that Obama did not create the problems which exist today, neither did Bush, but then you do have to give Obama credit for extending them.

With just a small amount of effort they can be avoided by individuals without giving up commerce.

We, as you put it are the governed, and at best we most often unknowingly allow for policy to be made when we vote.

If only we could rely on decisions made by a majority to always result in the correct decision being made.

Maybe not one program alone, but once started they seem to accumulate. Not one, but several in the Obama administration.

Actually government tinkers too much in areas where it lacks competence and imposes regulations that promote activities that might otherwise not have occurred.

Only some of the people always have the government they choose. I'm unaware of any election being unanimously decided.

 

Look back on how FDR "tinkered" with the government and and how his economic policies(CCC,WPA) helped bring some stability for this country. Socialism? Yeah and these programs helped a lot of people and got many things built.

 

And the TVA. These "Social" programs made America the most powerful nation on Earth, and kicked ass in WWII.

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people whose long lost relatives were actual slaves should really be happy for the simple fact that some minorities have more rights than white people... i know of plenty of jobs that i could walk into an interview right now and be highly qualified for but the minority next to me would get the job first just because they have to meet a quota and thats the truth... white people are still paying reparations to this do... slavery long gone and dead and is neither here nor there in reference to anything this day in age... i cant tell you the last time i went to home depot or lowes and couldnt get actual REAL help becuase they had to hire someone based on the color of thier skin and not thier knowledge of the actual job... those days of white people fucked up for modern day white people and black people take full advantage of it today... so really everyone fucked up dammit... DAMN THE MAN... that was such a stupid and mindless post i just posted but im so high i couldnt fully underatand what i was saying so i just flowed with it... fuck it

 

Right.......smoke less weed


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Let's play a game called "Name That Job." You name a job where a minority was hired because of some quota system, and I'll name a job where a white "good ol' boy" got it because of discrimination.

That's not because of race, it's due to corporate downsizing. And, I see very few blacks working for either of these stores when I go there.

If these companies turned you down for a job, it might not be because of race, it may be that you failed their drug test, or had failed one in the past at another company. They will never hire someone who has ever failed a drug test.

Got some to share?

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^^^ answer to quote #1: formica, aeronca, kohls warehouse and im sure theres a few more just cant remember... thats what weed does to your brain children

answer to quote #2: come to where i live and you would think differently, and ive never failed a drug test in my lifetime

answer to quote #3: a friend with weed is a friend indeed

what i originally meant to say is that there is no reason for anyone to feel sorry for a black person because of struggles they endure, because there are struggles that every race faces, as ones struggles might be different in terms they can still be equally hard no matter the race, it is up to the individual person to overcome these struggles and obstacles and strive to live up to your thier potential no matter what the race is...

 

Not sure I understand, are these businesses that you think use a quota system? Maybe I smoke too much, too; but, I thought they declared the quota system unconstitutional long ago.

I've probably been where you are. I lived in and around Cleveland for 5 years and have family in Cincinnati and northern Ky. and inlaws in Pa. I've never failed a drug test either, but I've never been required to take one.

only if he shares.

I'm guessing that you're white. Unless you have very good friends of other races who share with you the depths of their experiences, you will never understand.

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JackFlash...
You are a badass mofo