The Existence Tree

Discussion in 'Stoners Lounge' started by Death, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. boguskyle

    boguskyle kyleboguesque

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    give me a few blotters and i can tell you the answer.

    this is an intense thread. there are many ways to look at it. i dont imagine existence like a tree, cuz i dont include time as a factor. its too infinite-like and unchangeable. but if i were to, then i think PB_Smith has the best interpretation.
    and why does it seem like death is emphasizing religion? seems like a pretty insignificant thing compared to everything else.
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    It has actually been quite a while for me as well but a few things have been resurfacing as of late. From your posts it does seem like you are still gaining insights by virtue of "altered states".

    I have been fortunate in the past many years to be able devote myself exclusively to these activities. While many are wondering what's on tv I'm doing stuff like this. Everybody has their pets it seems. The mind has been my pet and I feed it often.

    I am surprised more people are not familiar with Gurdjieff in particular after considering this list of persons said to have been influenced by his work:

    Gurdjieff is said to have had a strong influence on many modern mystics, artists, writers, and thinkers, including Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh), Frank Lloyd Wright, Keith Jarrett, George Russell (composer), Alan Watts, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, Robert Fripp, Jacob Needleman, John Shirley, Carlos Castaneda, Dennis Lewis, Peter Brook, Kate Bush, P. L. Travers, Robert S de Ropp, Walter Inglis Anderson, Jean Toomer, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Louis Pauwels, James Moore and Abdullah Isa Neil Dougan. Gurdjieff's notable personal students include Jeanne de Salzmann, Willem Nyland, Lord Pentland (Henry John Sinclair), P. D. Ouspensky, Olga de Hartmann, Thomas de Hartmann, Jane Heap, John G. Bennett, Alfred Richard Orage, Maurice Nicoll, Lanza del Vasto, George and Helen Adie and Katherine Mansfield. The Italian composer and singer Franco Battiato was sometime inspired by Gurdjieff's work, for example in his song "Centro di gravità permanente" - one of most popular modern Italian pop songs. Aleister Crowley visited his Institute at least once and privately praised Gurdjieff's work, though with some reservations. During WWI, Algernon Blackwood took up spying while reporting to John Buchan, author of The Thirty Nine Steps. After the war, during the Roaring Twenties, Blackwood studied with Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.

    Sorry for all the name dropping.
     
  3. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    it takes as much faith (or ignorance) to believe in the big bang as it does any religion
     
  4. PB_Smith

    PB_Smith Huh? What? Who, me?

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    Does learning ever stop?
    But yes, I noticed right away that returning to psychedelics was a return to very a familier space.:)

    I often wish I didn't have to worry so much about the mundane daily survival and such to devote more time to study and learning. But then again family and children have been an endless source of learning and insight.

    I am going to have reacquaint myself with his work
     
  5. PB_Smith

    PB_Smith Huh? What? Who, me?

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    replace "Big Bang" with "initial singularity event of this current manifestation of universe".
    Is that better?
     
  6. DroneLore

    DroneLore h8rs gon h8, I stay based

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    Life should definitely not be separate from the laws of physics.
     
  7. Death

    Death Grim Reaper Lifetime Supporter

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    I was thinking the same thing about time when I was thinking of something to draw a line about. I couldn't think of a damn thing.

    Time just is.

    as for the religion focus, that's just the first part that I expanded on. There's no real emphasis on religion, I am actually not a religious person at all. People ask me what I think about religion and I just tell them "I guess I'll find out when I die, right?".
     
  8. Death

    Death Grim Reaper Lifetime Supporter

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    Also I think I am fond of the bulleted list Idea the best, because it is infinately expandable. and copy and pastable.
     
  9. seizedbyanger

    seizedbyanger Banned

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