The Existence Tree

now youve got me trying to find free chart building software. im gonna waste all day on this and not get any housework done all because you piqued my interest.

 

i think what you are trying to do is come up with the "theory of everything." something that the greatest physicists of the world hope to do some day. the stoner's lounge might not be your best bet

but to add my thoughts anyways - the laws of physics governs life. if it weren't for gravity, the atoms that make up the molecules that make up the cells that make up our bodies...would never be able to exists.


so

laws of physics--->formation of planets--->formation of life

with various other inputs and outputs

 

The real problem that I was hinting at with my post is that you cannot actually construct a tree like this. It will fail, at every step, for a very fundamental reason. Everything depends on everything else. This is the one axiom of reality.

 

i think it'd be nearly impossible to construct an accurate list, but not for the same reason. i don't really think that EVERYTHING depends on everything.
i snap my fingers...what happens? i don't snap em. now what?
i hammer away at keys on a board. i pause an extra second.
i guess those small insignificant things just have small insignificant results...so shit.. it DOES! depend on everything

 

Say I spend 4.95 on cigarettes instead of 4.46. Is that really gonna change anything anywhere?

 

cool tree.

i would include things like:

death
war
cats
famine
entertainment
apathy
chaos
genocide
corruption
mexicans
spaghetti
yellow

 

It is not that your spending a different value changes some arbitrary thing in the universe like the spin of an electron in the center of the sun. Rather, it is that you being in the moment where you are spending less, is only possible because of every single thing in the universe coming together.

It is an organic situation. It is like your body; everything depends on everything else. No, cutting your fingernails will not make your heart stop. But the reason you have fingernails and the reason you have a heart are one at root.

You are thinking causality. I am thinking interdependence.

 

:iagree:
There will always be another "what about?" and you have to start all over from scratch.
You also have time at one end of the spectrum and space at the other, when in actuality the two are so inexplicably interconnected and interdependent that we refer to it as the space/time continuum.

You can dissect and produce a chart for all the different sub groups, but an all encompassing one is a near impossible endeavor.

The reason it is perplexing is because you are considering two very different things. The world of matter/energy/physics and the world of human consciousness as exhibited through mans achievements.

Plus don't "tree" charts begin at the bottom and proceed upwards branching off as it becomes more complex?
What you have started there is an organizational chart like you would construct for a corporation or the mob.

I think maybe something along these lines may be easier to work with, with space/time forming the "matrix" in which these progressions take place. As progress continues to diversify and branch in this model, it does allow for the advent of mind/consciousness and human achievements as branches gaining ever more complexity.But hey, what do I know?

 

http://evogeneao.com/images/Evolution_poster_lg.gif

The Tree of Life on Earth

 

Oh, and gravitational pull doesn't exist. There is no force of gravity. gravity is caused by matter actually bending the space around it.

I fucking love Scientific American Mag.

 

Make a circle, not a tree. Problem solved!

 

Here is a different sort of cosmology. Human life is part of the earth in this representation.

The first level is "The Absolute", followed by "All Worlds", "All Suns", "Sun", "All Planets", "Earth", "Moon", and "The Absolute".

This set was created thus:

* The heaviest/last level - "The Absolute",
* Earth's satellite - "The Moon",
* our planet - "Earth",
* all of the planets in the solar system to which Earth belongs to - "All Planets",
* the planets belong to the "Sun" or the solar system,
* the Sun belongs to the Milky Way galaxy or the "All Suns" combined,
* all galaxies put together belong to "All Worlds",
* and all Worlds form a final whole called "The Absolute"

This lineage indicates and compares the construction of all of the levels, matters, and laws of the Universe, placing them in scale with one another.

 

This arrangement is based on density of resonant emanation, vibratory signature, representing a law of "octaves".



All of the above is "conscious" Within it's sphere.

 

The ray of creation emerging from the absolute can be notated in human terms as though, word, and deed and together as one law without opposite emerge as creation. That law may be referred to as the "will of the absolute". The three forces of this will converge to form "All Worlds", whose level, now, being a part of the whole now has three laws. This level also having three forces, acts in creating "All Suns" in a similar process, and thereby "All Suns" has six laws (three new ones and three of the All Worlds level). Similarly, "Sun" has 12 laws, "All Planets" 24 laws, "Earth" 48 laws, "Moon" 96 laws, and "The Absolute" 192 laws.

Each level after the Absolute has a bigger number of laws which govern it. Therefore, the further the level is away from the Absolute, the more mechanical the living things in it are. By this comparison it is claimed that there are 48 laws governing the life of living beings on Earth, thereby also claiming that the life on Earth is quite mechanical.

 

Similarly to the difference of laws on each level, the level (in this case 'density') of matter differs in the same way.
The absolute has a matter density of one,
All worlds has a density of 3 (one atom of all worlds has three times the density as one atom of the absolute)
All suns 6,
Sun 12,
All planets 24,
Earth 48,
Moon 96,
The absolute which in this case represents say a black holes density 192.

This is density not in the usual sense, but density in the sense of the "falling out" of matter from original intention. It is a measure of distance in the form of diversity from oneness. Note that the moon is ejecta from a collision with the primordial earth. An event farther away from the beginning.

This way everything in the universe according to this cosmology is classified as matter.

 

Higher Bodies can be better represented on this scale. Physical body has the properties of the earth level, that is, it has a density of 48 and it is subject to 48 laws. In comparison, a higher plane body would have a lighter density and it would be subject to a lesser number of laws. The amount varies on the level that the body falls under.

 

thedope,
What is all that based on?
Is it your own original thought or from another source?

 

When I was in my early 20's I hung with a group called at that time the gurdjieff ouspensky society. I think I asked you once about Gurdjieff in relation to Charles Tart who was an associate of Gurdjieffs teachings. The cosmology itself is an ancient esoteric schematic, some of the descriptions of their relevance are mine.

I have done a lot of practical research through work groups and Gurdjieff flavored exercises. There is much information to be had that is conscious state specific. That means for instance, there are some insights that are are only obtainable if you take a psychedelic, or levels of function are heightened like with the fight or flight response. There are many states of consciousness that are as different in their apprehensions as a rocky planet is to a gas planet.

 

technology = accumulated knowledge.. i would like to see branches starting with using a rock as a tool all the way to super sonic flight or space travel

 

Ok, it seemed vaguely familiar, and that would explain why. I'm sure I had seen this before, 30 years ago.

State specific knowledge is a phenomenon that I am very familiar with, both through personal experience as well as Tart's work. But I am going back a few decades when I was really into that type of stuff, or at least did a lot of reading in it.