The eternity of the Soul and the body's finite existence.

And, yes, changing form may make the essentially Platonically real reality unrecognizable for it's identically same Life. The Soul proves we are the same being for all of the Time.

 

WTF?

TooReal

 

Again...WTF????

TooReal

 

I'm just trying to help Jihadists out there adjust to the liberal world of identity, instead of persistently violating themselves and others for that identity.

 

What are you identically now?

 

You mean: who am I? The soul makes the self Be finitely so. I guess the eternity of the soul is up for grabs.

 

I mean what are you when you say soul or what is the being of soul? If the soul makes no claim on eternity who is grabbing at it?

 

What is a "soul"? and where is it? if you set forth this concept, the burden of proof is on you.

what makes you think you know the properties of a "soul"? like it being "eternal" or "unmeasureable"? the buren of proof is on you.

athiesm must determine in the spiritual realm? let me stop you right there, what is a "spiritual realm", and where is it? again, the burden of proof is on you.

 

no one knows what exactly arises consciousness, but the experience of consciousness must be equivalent to a soul, conscious and subconscious thought processes, we are aware of our own existence, and we have memories to back that up. our minds take in information about the world, analyze it and store it in memories. our mind analyzes our own spontaneous interpretations of things (creating "reality"), and compares them to what's stored in memory, looking for similar experiences and situations and further analyzes them that way. in the experience of ego death, one may be taken to the far reaches of what has any resemblance of a normal experience of consciousness, fully experiences only the present moment, and it appears to be that we can only truly become aware of this experience when passing a certain threshold and can only analyze this experience and become `aware` of it as our minds begin to return to normal functioning.

the mind is a seperate entity than the brain itself (but entangled with and dependent on it), as the brain is a material object with many complex processes made possible by the laws of nature to behave in the fashion that it is seen to do so. the brain takes many inputs in different areas, some of which can form various kinds of feedback loops that for a certain arbitrary portion of the total input signal, synchronizing and setting the trend for processing new data. so this feedback loop system of signals having undergone processing by later stages in processing again becoming part of the input gives a reference to these processing centers for how to process new information. surely this must play at least a portion into the mechanism for conscious awareness. we become aware of at least some of the higher abstractions of this process.

it can be seen that this experience will cease to exist when the brain itself ceases to function, or loses a great enough amount of function in key areas that the system becomes destabilized. the brain itself synchronizes to a frequncy of brain activity, much like a clock signal synchronizes the timing of a computer chip and controls the speed at which it functions overall. the brain is very good at re-synchronizing itself, but a total loss of function surely results in a total loss of awareness, consciousness and sense of experience. this can be seen in such cases such as epileptic seizures, during a grand mal seizure a person has zero awareness, and after this episode the person will be confused and have no awareness of what just happened, with no obvious break in continuity often either. This is quite unlike the experience of sleep, this is truly lights out and the only information that can be gathered about what happened can only come from inference or from other people who witnessed the experience can tell you what happened from their point of view. some types of localized seizures within specific areas of the brain, such as some types of temporal lobe partial seizures may not result in a total loss of consciousness but instead a highly altered state of consciousness that hardly resembles any state one is familiar with.

it may be possible that the system giving rise to consciousness can leave some type of entropic imprint, and consciousness be transferred to operate within some other medium, but i would think this would have to take place relatively quickly, the new system being set up as the existing system is shut down in order to preserve the information perfectly with no loss, before the system and information become degraded.

 

i agree with you, i think that our conciousness, our unique experience, memories, personalities all summed up is our soul.

another interesting theory described in the Bhagavad Gita is that conciousness is an all pervading property of our universe and our material brain is like an antena that picks up this "signal", and our memories stored in our brains shapes our unique experience of being concious. this way we are all kind of connected to one super conciousness.

what happens when our brain doesnt work anymore is probably the greatest mystery. have you seen the movie transcendence?

 

We all become food for the worms and insects, if we are not cremated.
My father did not think anything else happened after one died. He said, once you die, that's it.
I am of hopeful- ler more minded....although, I am not convinced of anything.
Our comsciousness just flies away ....and our brain rots with the rest of our bodies.....the symbiotic symstem of brain matter and thought processes......thought processes using the brain as their vehicle......
I don't know....just spouting out at this late hour. Will not be getting any sleep tonight ....I can see that, and I am pretty tired.

and I don't want to be so interconnected with everyone in any invasive way.....
We all have our own, unique fingerprints.

 

I want my corpse turned into blood and bone fertilizer.

 

electricity resides within us. I came face to face with someone once, and the electrical charge between the two of us was phenonenal, and we were not toucing.....it was a magnetic field we both felt, where this person asked "What is that?"

not someone I was really attracted to either, quite a few years ago.

 

When were you consciously aware of who you were? I was in the crib, when I wondered why the act of swallowing was necassary.....

 

it's curious to have heard this about being soulful : first be consumed (as in getting eaten by wolves) then continue on
into old age . then if you are remembered for just a couple hundred years it's quite extraordinary .

 

That's the way I've experienced it. The body including the brain is material and temporary. Consciousness or Spirit is eternal. The question is what you identify with.

 

i find the existence of a soul, easier to believe and possibly comprehend, then for anything to go on for very long without in some way changing. might there always have been and will be a something? i don't have a problem that there might. i'm even rather fond of the idea. but of anything eternally unchanging, i just don't see that, nor how to make any sense of it.

 

And that which you identify with is probably determined by whether you believe that matter springs forth from consciousness, or that consciousness springs forth from matter.

 

Matter from consciousness. Factoid of the day!

 

The brain does not survive the death of the body and the soul does not either, the immortality of the soul is a lie passed down thru the generations.