The Draft is coming,,.....

Well I guess that I did not know that you speak for the everyone here.

Next time I'll ask you first.

Interesting, why do you think that no one give a shit.

Are you going to comply? Are you going to go in the national service?

Or do you just not give a shit?

 

He's not a citizen either... and likes to stir things up here. Congratulations, it worked with you.

 

And what is that supposed to mean? :toetap05: Don't be dissing Canadians or we will start throwing beavers at you. And not the kind you like, either.

 

That's supposed to mean that I think Canadians would be smart enough to keep their windows sealed to avoid chilly drafts -eh? Of course they might have a draft beer when they were oot and aboot watching hockey -eh?

Are those beavers you're thinking of launching Intercontinental Ballistic Beavers -eh? You'll need a special ballistic beaver missile we might sell you ok -eh?

 

But he does share the sentiments of what I suspect is the majority of the regulars. So, really, in this case, I think BSR would be a great choice for the RT spokesman of the thread.

 

So in essence he's enacting a metaphorical draft protest by protesting the topic? Interesting.

 

I'll just borrow Mayor West's cat launcher...

 

The America Attacks forum is simply a better place for this thread and you will get a much more positive response there.

He all you'll hear is "you're a conspiracy theorist, gtfo".

Which isn't that bad of a sentiment, in my opinion.

 

Geneva Convention says that cats are to be declawed before they are launched.

 

Mayor West makes his own rules.

Not unlike Chuck Norris.

 

Yes- and he swallows board games and inflatable rafts in case of emergencies.... like the draft.

 

Gee it's not a conspiracy theory and I don't want people who already have thoughts on this, most there already have thoughts on this what I want to know is what people who are about to affected by this think.

It should not make any difference to anyone here where I post this and your insisting that I go some where that make you comfortable is not acceptable to me.

What I want to know is who is going to comply, and why.

If that bothers you please don't read the post, however if you want to share your thoughts please do, but telling me to go some where else is not an option.

 

Here are my thoughts:

There will not be a draft.

So complying or not is extremely irrelevant.

 

ALL US military branches are DOWNSIZING right now... they are becoming more and more picky about recruits and offering less and less re-enlistment bonuses. What reason would they have to use the draft right now? Can you post a link to support your thoughts? I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure the 'draft' is reserved for if we were to break out into conventional war, which we are NOT at right now. I would support a draft, under certain circumstances, but not for the police action in the middle east.

 

Surely you must realize that posting this will only provoke the opposite type of response. Personally I think it's a good topic- some rare substance here... the problem is that most who frequent this forum consider it a pantry of rhetorical junk food to satisfy their cravings. Analogous to those uninterested moving on without comment you should avoid dignifying responses calculated to provoke with any acknowledgment at all.

 

if they want me to shoot some ragheads, i'll go do it
if they want me to go take care of the kids, i'll do it
if they want me to build stuff, i'll do it
etc etc etc

only problem is the gov't won't be able to afford my demands in place of me going to do it...so i won't. my price is too high and i'm sure they can go ahead and get some cheapo bastard to do it.

 

That's true, but I'm looking to see what the young today think about this, in my day we all had opinions on this. Today they seem only interesting in what opiate to take. I know that is a generalization and sincerely hope I'm wrong.

So aside from telling me to go somewhere else, what are your opinions?

Would you go?
Why would you go?
Would you resist?
etc.

Thanks for the great post

 

I always find great chances to use TV show quotes... "If there's another draft, I'll see you in Canada!" so said Leo on That 70's Show. I share his sentiments.

 

You don't get to make those choices, this has passed the congress and is in the senate.

H. R. 1388
One Hundred Eleventh Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE FIRST SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,
the sixth day of January, two thousand and nine
An Act
Entitled The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and
reform the national service laws
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
(a) SHORT TITLE.—This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Serve America
Act’’.
(b) TABLE OF CONTENTS.—The table of contents of this Act
is as follows:
Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.
TITLE I—AMENDMENTS TO NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY SERVICE ACT OF
1990
Sec. 1001. References.
Subtitle A—Amendments to Subtitle A (General Provisions)
Sec. 1101. Purposes.
Sec. 1102. Definitions.
Subtitle B—Amendments to Subtitle B (Learn and Serve America)
Sec. 1201. School-based allotments.
Sec. 1202. Higher education provisions.
Sec. 1203. Campuses of Service.
Sec. 1204. Innovative programs and research.
Sec. 1205. Service-learning impact study.
Subtitle C—Amendments to Subtitle C (National Service Trust Program)
Sec. 1301. Prohibition on grants to Federal agencies; limits on Corporation costs.
Sec. 1302. Eligible national service programs.
Sec. 1303. Types of positions.
Sec. 1304. Conforming repeal relating to training and technical assistance.
Sec. 1305. Assistance to State Commissions; challenge grants.
Sec. 1306. Allocation of assistance to States and other eligible entities.
Sec. 1307. Additional authority.
Sec. 1308. State selection of programs.
Sec. 1309. National service program assistance requirements.
Sec. 1310. Prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.
Sec. 1311. Consideration of applications.
Sec. 1312. Description of participants.
Sec. 1313. Selection of national service participants.
Sec. 1314. Terms of service.
Sec. 1315. Adjustments to living allowance.
Subtitle D—Amendments to Subtitle D (National Service Trust and Provision of
National Service Educational Awards)
Sec. 1401. Availability of funds in the National Service Trust.
Sec. 1402. Individuals eligible to receive an educational award from the Trust.
Sec. 1403. Certifications.
Sec. 1404. Determination of the amount of the educational award.
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Sec. 1405. Disbursement of educational awards.
Sec. 1406. Approval process for approved positions.
Subtitle E—Amendments to Subtitle E (National Civilian Community Corps)
Sec. 1501. Purpose.
Sec. 1502. Program components.
Sec. 1503. Eligible participants.
Sec. 1504. Summer national service program.
Sec. 1505. National Civilian Community Corps.
Sec. 1506. Training.
Sec. 1507. Consultation with State Commissions.
Sec. 1508. Authorized benefits for Corps members.
Sec. 1509. Permanent cadre.
Sec. 1510. Status of Corps members and Corps personnel under Federal law.
Sec. 1511. Contract and grant authority.
Sec. 1512. Other departments.
Sec. 1513. Advisory Board.
Sec. 1514. Evaluations.
Sec. 1515. Repeal of funding limitation.
Sec. 1516. Definitions.
Sec. 1517. Terminology.
Subtitle F—Amendments to Subtitle F (Administrative Provisions)
Sec. 1601. Family and medical leave.
Sec. 1602. Reports.
Sec. 1603. Use of funds.
Sec. 1604. Notice, hearing, and grievance procedures.
Sec. 1605. Resolution of displacement complaints.
Sec. 1606. State Commissions on National and Community Service.
Sec. 1607. Evaluation and accountability.
Sec. 1608. Civic Health Assessment.
Sec. 1609. Contingent extension.
Sec. 1610. Partnerships with schools.
Sec. 1611. Rights of access, examination, and copying.
Sec. 1612. Additional administrative provisions.
Sec. 1613. Availability of assistance.
Sec. 1614. Criminal history checks for individuals working with vulnerable populations.
Subtitle G—Amendments to Subtitle G (Corporation for National and Community
Service)
Sec. 1701. Terms of office.
Sec. 1702. Board of Directors authorities and duties.
Sec. 1703. Chief Executive Officer compensation.
Sec. 1704. Authorities and duties of the Chief Executive Officer.
Sec. 1705. Chief Financial Officer status.
Sec. 1706. Nonvoting members; personal services contracts.
Sec. 1707. Donated services.
Sec. 1708. Assignment to State Commissions.
Sec. 1709. Study of involvement of veterans.
Sec. 1710. Study to examine and increase service programs for displaced workers
in services corps and community service and to develop pilot program
planning study.
Sec. 1711. Study to evaluate the effectiveness of agency coordination.
Sec. 1712. Study of program effectiveness.
Sec. 1713. Volunteer Management Corps study.
Subtitle H—Amendments to Subtitle H (Investment for Quality and Innovation)
Sec. 1801. Technical amendment to subtitle H.
Sec. 1802. Additional Corporation activities to support national service.
Sec. 1803. Repeals.
Sec. 1804. Presidential awards.
Sec. 1805. New fellowships.
Sec. 1806. National Service Reserve Corps.
Sec. 1807. Social Innovation Funds pilot program.
Sec. 1808. Clearinghouses.
Sec. 1809. Nonprofit Capacity Building Program.
Subtitle I—Training and Technical Assistance
Sec. 1821. Training and technical assistance.
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Subtitle J—Repeal of Title III (Points of Light Foundation)
Sec. 1831. Repeal.
Subtitle K—Amendments to Title V (Authorization of Appropriations)
Sec. 1841. Authorization of appropriations.
TITLE II—DOMESTIC VOLUNTEER SERVICE ACT OF 1973
Sec. 2001. References.
Sec. 2002. Volunteerism policy.
Subtitle A—National Volunteer Antipoverty Programs
CHAPTER 1—VOLUNTEERS IN SERVICE TO AMERICA
Sec. 2101. Statement of purpose.
Sec. 2102. Selection and assignment of volunteers.
Sec. 2103. Support service.
Sec. 2104. Repeal.
Sec. 2105. Redesignation.
CHAPTER 2—UNIVERSITY YEAR FOR VISTA
Sec. 2121. University year for VISTA.
CHAPTER 3—SPECIAL VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS
Sec. 2131. Statement of purpose.
Sec. 2132. Literacy challenge grants.
Subtitle B—National Senior Service Corps
Sec. 2141. Title.
Sec. 2142. Statement of purpose.
Sec. 2143. Retired and Senior Volunteer Program.
Sec. 2144. Foster grandparent program.
Sec. 2145. Senior companion program.
Sec. 2146. General provisions.
Subtitle C—Administration and Coordination
Sec. 2151. Special limitations.
Sec. 2152. Application of Federal law.
Sec. 2153. Evaluation.
Sec. 2154. Definitions.
Sec. 2155. Protection against improper use.
Sec. 2156. Provisions under the National and Community Service Act of 1990.
Subtitle D—Authorization of Appropriations
Sec. 2161. Authorizations of appropriations.
TITLE III—TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS TO TABLES OF CONTENTS
Sec. 3101. Table of contents of the National and Community Service Act of 1990.
Sec. 3102. Table of contents of the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973.
TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO OTHER LAWS
Sec. 4101. Inspector General Act of 1978.
TITLE V—VOLUNTEERS FOR PROSPERITY PROGRAM
Sec. 5101. Findings.
Sec. 5102. Definitions.
Sec. 5103. Office of Volunteers for Prosperity.
Sec. 5104. Authorization of appropriations.
TITLE VI—EFFECTIVE DATE
Sec. 6101. Effective date.
Sec. 6102. Sense of the Senate.
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TITLE I—AMENDMENTS TO NATIONAL
AND COMMUNITY SERVICE ACT OF 1990
SEC. 1001. REFERENCES.
Except as otherwise specifically provided, whenever in this
title an amendment or repeal is expressed in terms of an amendment
to, or repeal of, a provision, the amendment or repeal shall
be considered to be made to a provision of the National and Community
Service Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12501 et seq.).
Subtitle A—Amendments to Subtitle A
(General Provisions)
SEC. 1101. PURPOSES.
Section 2(b) (42 U.S.C. 12501(b)) is amended—
(1) in paragraph (2), by striking ‘‘community throughout’’
and inserting ‘‘community and service throughout the varied
and diverse communities of’’;
(2) in paragraph (4), by inserting after ‘‘income,’’ the following:
‘‘geographic location,’’;
(3) in paragraph (6), by inserting after ‘‘existing’’ the following:
‘‘national’’;
(4) in paragraph (7)—
(A) by striking ‘‘programs and agencies’’ and inserting
‘‘programs, agencies, and communities’’; and
(B) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end;
(5) in paragraph (8), by striking the period and inserting
a semicolon; and
(6) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(9) expand and strengthen service-learning programs
through year-round opportunities, including opportunities
during the summer months, to improve the education of children
and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and
community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility
and the spirit of community for children and youth
throughout the United States;
‘‘(10) assist in coordinating and strengthening Federal and
other service opportunities, including opportunities for participation
in emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and
recovery;
‘‘(11) increase service opportunities for the Nation’s retiring
professionals, including such opportunities for those retiring
from the science, technical, engineering, and mathematics
professions, to improve the education of the Nation’s youth
and keep America competitive in the global knowledge economy,
and to further utilize the experience, knowledge, and skills
of older individuals;
‘‘(12) encourage the continued service of the alumni of
the national service programs, including service in times of
national need;
‘‘(13) encourage individuals age 55 or older to partake
of service opportunities;
‘‘(14) focus national service on the areas of national need
such service has the capacity to address, such as improving
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education, increasing energy conservation, improving the health
status of economically disadvantaged individuals, and
improving economic opportunity for economically disadvantaged
individuals;
‘‘(15) recognize and increase the impact of social entrepreneurs
and other nonprofit community organizations in
addressing national and local challenges;
‘‘(16) increase public and private investment in nonprofit
community organizations that are effectively addressing
national and local challenges and encourage such organizations
to replicate and expand successful initiatives;
‘‘(17) leverage Federal investments to increase State, local,
business, and philanthropic resources to address national and
local challenges;
‘‘(18) support institutions of higher education that engage
students in community service activities and provide highquality
service-learning opportunities; and
‘‘(19) recognize the expertise veterans can offer to national
service programs, expand the participation of the veterans in
the national service programs, and assist the families of veterans
and members of the Armed Forces on active duty.’’.
SEC. 1102. DEFINITIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 101 (42 U.S.C. 12511) is amended—
(1) in paragraph (3), by striking ‘‘described in section 122’’;
(2) in paragraph (13), by striking ‘‘section 101(a) of the
Higher Education Act of 1965’’ and inserting ‘‘sections 101(a)
and 102(a)(1) of the Higher Education Act of 1965’’;
(3) in paragraph (17)(B), by striking ‘‘program in which
the participant is enrolled’’ and inserting ‘‘organization
receiving assistance under the national service laws through
which the participant is engaging in service’’;
(4) in paragraph (19)—
(A) by striking ‘‘section 111(a)’’ and inserting ‘‘section
112(a)’’;
(B) by striking ‘‘117A(a),’’;
(C) by striking ‘‘119(b)(1), or 122(a),’’ and inserting
‘‘118A, or 118(b)(1), or subsection (a), (b), or (c) of section
122,’’;
(D) by inserting ‘‘section 198B, 198C, 198G, 198H,
or 198K,’’ after ‘‘section 152(b),’’; and
(E) by striking ‘‘198, 198C, or 198D’’ and inserting
‘‘179A, 198, 198O, 198P, or 199N’’;
(5) in paragraph (21)(B)—
(A) by striking ‘‘602’’ and inserting ‘‘602(3)’’; and
(B) by striking ‘‘1401’’ and inserting ‘‘1401(3)’’;
(6) in paragraph (24), by striking ‘‘section 111’’ and
inserting ‘‘section 112’’;
(7) in paragraph (26), by striking the second sentence;
and
(8) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(30) ALASKA NATIVE-SERVING INSTITUTION.—The term
‘Alaska Native-serving institution’ has the meaning given the
term in section 317(b) of the Higher Education Act of 1965
(20 U.S.C. 1059d(b)).
‘‘(31) APPROVED SILVER SCHOLAR POSITION.—The term
‘approved silver scholar position’ means a position, in a program
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described in section 198C(a), for which the Corporation has
approved the provision of a silver scholarship educational award
as one of the benefits to be provided for successful service
in the position.
‘‘(32) APPROVED SUMMER OF SERVICE POSITION.—The term
‘approved summer of service position’ means a position, in
a program described in section 119(c)(8), for which the Corporation
has approved the provision of a summer of service educational
award as one of the benefits to be provided for successful
service in the position.
‘‘(33) ASIAN AMERICAN AND NATIVE AMERICAN PACIFIC
ISLANDER-SERVING INSTITUTION.—The term ‘Asian American
and Native American Pacific Islander-serving institution’ has
the meaning given the term in section 320(b) of the Higher
Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1059g(b)).
‘‘(34) AUTHORIZING COMMITTEES.—The term ‘authorizing
committees’ means the Committee on Education and Labor
of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Health,
Education, Labor, and Pensions of the Senate.
‘‘(35) COMMUNITY-BASED ENTITY.—The term ‘communitybased
entity’ means a public or private nonprofit organization
that—
‘‘(A) has experience with meeting unmet human, educational,
environmental, or public safety needs; and
‘‘(B) meets other such criteria as the Chief Executive
Officer may establish.
‘‘(36) DISADVANTAGED YOUTH.—The term ‘disadvantaged
youth’ includes those youth who are economically disadvantaged
and 1 or more of the following:
‘‘(A) Who are out-of-school youth, including out-ofschool
youth who are unemployed.
‘‘(B) Who are in or aging out of foster care.
‘‘(C) Who have limited English proficiency.
‘‘(D) Who are homeless or who have run away from
home.
‘‘(E) Who are at-risk to leave secondary school without
a diploma.
‘‘(F) Who are former juvenile offenders or at risk of
delinquency.
‘‘(G) Who are individuals with disabilities.
‘‘(37) ENCORE SERVICE PROGRAM.—The term ‘encore service
program’ means a program, carried out by an eligible entity
as described in subsection (a), (b), or (c) of section 122, that—
‘‘(A) involves a significant number of participants age
55 or older in the program; and
‘‘(B) takes advantage of the skills and experience that
such participants offer in the design and implementation
of the program.
‘‘(38) HISPANIC-SERVING INSTITUTION.—The term ‘Hispanicserving
institution’ has the meaning given such term in section
502(a) of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1101a(a)).
‘‘(39) HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY.—The
term ‘historically black college or university’ means a part
B institution, as defined in section 322 of the Higher Education
Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1061).
‘‘(40) MEDICALLY UNDERSERVED POPULATION.—The term
‘medically underserved population’ has the meaning given that
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term in section 330(b)(3) of the Public Health Service Act (42
U.S.C. 254b(b)(3)).
‘‘(41) NATIVE AMERICAN-SERVING, NONTRIBAL INSTITUTION.—
The term ‘Native American-serving, nontribal institution’ has
the meaning given the term in section 319(b) of the Higher
Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1059f(b)).
‘‘(42) NATIVE HAWAIIAN-SERVING INSTITUTION.—The term
‘Native Hawaiian-serving institution’ has the meaning given
the term in section 317(b) of the Higher Education Act of
1965 (20 U.S.C. 1059d(b)).
‘‘(43) PREDOMINANTLY BLACK INSTITUTION.—The term
‘Predominantly Black Institution’ has the meaning given the
term in section 318 of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20
U.S.C. 1059e).
‘‘(44) PRINCIPLES OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.—The term ‘principles
of scientific research’ means principles of research that—
‘‘(A) apply rigorous, systematic, and objective methodology
to obtain reliable and valid knowledge relevant to
the subject matter involved;
‘‘(B) present findings and make claims that are appropriate
to, and supported by, the methods that have been
employed; and
‘‘(C) include, appropriate to the research being conducted—
‘‘(i) use of systematic, empirical methods that draw
on observation or experiment;
‘‘(ii) use of data analyses that are adequate to
support the general findings;
‘‘(iii) reliance on measurements or observational
methods that provide reliable and generalizable
findings;
‘‘(iv) strong claims of causal relationships, only
with research designs that eliminate plausible competing
explanations for observed results, such as, but
not limited to, random-assignment experiments;
‘‘(v) presentation of studies and methods in sufficient
detail and clarity to allow for replication or, at
a minimum, to offer the opportunity to build systematically
on the findings of the research;
‘‘(vi) acceptance by a peer-reviewed journal or critique
by a panel of independent experts through a
comparably rigorous, objective, and scientific review;
and
‘‘(vii) consistency of findings across multiple
studies or sites to support the generality of results
and conclusions.
‘‘(45) QUALIFIED ORGANIZATION.—The term ‘qualified
organization’ means a public or private nonprofit organization
with experience working with school-age youth that meets such
criteria as the Chief Executive Officer may establish.
‘‘(46) SCIENTIFICALLY VALID RESEARCH.—The term ‘scientifically
valid research’ includes applied research, basic research,
and field-initiated research in which the rationale, design, and
interpretation are soundly developed in accordance with principles
of scientific research

 

Canada won't take any Americans unless they have mucho dinero.

But yet again, there won't be a draft, so you don't have to worry about leavin' good ol' Tex-ass.