The Double Standard for men and women.

I'll totally admit I'm a bitch. The thing with me, is I only show that side when I'm provoked. Retaliation is kinda my thing. I don't just lay down and let people treat me like shit.

Poke the mama bear, and you're going to get bit.

 

I agree with mama. There's a difference between a defensive bitch and a manipulative, provoking bitch. I reserve the right to stand up and bitch against inappropriate bitching. I've never had to do that with any other woman in this thread, but one. If it walks and talks like a duck, it's a damned duck. aka bitch

 

I for one celebrate bitchism. Now I will have less nightly entertainment

No way.. I wanted him gone before I hurt him. Because I knew, even in that moment, that she wasn't worth going to jail for. It wouldn't have been protecting her honor it would've been maiming some dude over a slut who probably came onto him hard since she was mad at me. Can you really blame him?

 

No, but you misunderstand my logic for wanting him present.

I doubt the girl would cry rape with him present, and if she does it'll ruin her chances with him and I would've done a bro a favor to tell him don't trust this girl.


Also from my other posts, you should know about me that I'm really cutthroat with cheaters or situations you found yourself in, drunk or otherwise.

My rule is the moment I catch a girl cheating on me in an agreed upon closed relationship, we're done.

 

I have been psychologically abused a lot even when I was a hardworking virgin, so I appreciate you saying that. To this day I refuse to talk to people in society who aren't friends or family. If I don't work from home, I won't work at all, unless I can find a job where I can just be professional, do my damn job, and go home to my loves.

Have you heard of Camille Paglia, the feminist literary critic? She fits what you described to a T. She supports the double standard. She said:

"Promiscuity in men man cheapen love but sharpen thought. Promiscuity in women in an illness, it is a leakage of identity. The promiscuous woman is incapable of clear thought. She has ruptured the ritual integrity of her body."

"She is neurotic, psychotic..."

What a bitch.

The sad part is she's a lesbian. How is it any of her business what straight or bisexual do with men? Why is she so involved?

This woman routinely feeds men's egos and mutilate's women's egos. That's why I'm all for dismantling the ego a la Zen Buddhism.

Paglia thinks streetwalkers are pagan goddesses. She thinks it's okay to sleep with every last loser on the street as long as you're getting paid for it.

Have you ever worked in an environment where you were forced to be bubbly and chipper, which is against your nature? That's prostitution. Prostitutes fake orgasms all the time. It's an extremely boring job too. Stripping becomes boring over time also. Camille Paglia is trapped in a fantasy. She might be what strippers call a PL or a Pathetic Loser.

I once went on a message board for Camille Paglia fans. They said "Have sex with your boyfriend. Anything otherwise makes you a fool." The next guy said "Well I'm a BIG fool."

Hos always act like they're better than sluts, as if sluts always have kids out of wedlock just because we're not professionals. They say we have nothing to show for it just because we didn't save money. But I have fond memories and a new found love for men.

People act like I'm the attention whore. Well at least I don't get my jollies off of tearing down innocent women to curry favor with immature men.

 

Problem is, that isn't a usable definition, legally. Otherwise, half the men in America would be in prison right now. There has to be more evidence than just having a woman say she felt pressured.

No shit. This is one subject area where politically correct liberals sometimes annoy me. Women do have some responsibility to play things smart. There is no right to be naïve, unless you're under legal age. Even at age 15, most girls can comprehend the idea that inviting a man to your room alone is playing with fire.

 

Well to be fair, I think anyone would agree since this website is a very liberal place. Therefore, it doesn't give a true representation. I'll speak for the rest

I'll be the first to come on out and finally say it for what it is: the reason women are considered sluts for this is because it's the woman who actually get's objectified during the act itself! I'd be a lot slower to have sex if I was the one being objectified! It's up to a woman to respect herself. It's not a double standard, only a matter of putting dignity before pleasure. Women may have started to sleep around more, but they'll always try to hide this fact to potential love interests.

There's a part of most men that want an pure untouched angel. The 21st century version of an 'angel' is therefore a woman who only sleeps with men that she's in, or has been in relationships with. I would not like the thought of my girlfriend to undergo such degrading acts as, swallowing sperm, or back door action with random men that she'll never meet again.

Having said that, I've often wondered about the pros and cons of marriage, and whether I believe in love etc; and then when I realize that society is becoming more acceptable towards women sleeping around, it makes me think I'm less likely to marry, and instead opt for a more promiscuous life-style. And this will be the attitude other men will adapt too... so it mightn't be for the best overall. If you've money and looks, it's a good option to take, as men have a longer shelf-life than women anyway.

Imagine having to walk by men on the street that screwed your girlfriend while you're the one who has to carry her shoes, deal with mood swings while she gradually gets fatter. Sometimes things look better just passing through!

 

I'm intrigued by your views on Camille Paglia since she's basically one of my favorite people. It sounds to me like you're taking one shred of all she said and extrapolating it into all she's about.

Have you read any of her books? Have you seen her youtube interview with Bill Maher or any other? If you haven't, I think you would benefit.

I think Camille Paglia is misunderstood quite often because she does not use PC speech and she's not a leftist. If you're only used to politically correct lefty speech, she can be a hard pill to swallow. She is, for instance, very capitalist.

Yet, she's atheist, bisexual, and a libertarian conservative. Yes, there is such a thing as an atheist, lesbo conservative. The two party system hasn't yet coopted all of us.

They only thing I don't like about her is that she still makes use of this 60s counterculture identity. I wish she would shed that old skin of hers altogether.

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Edit: The best prostitutes don't fake anything, IMO. I've been with prostitutes who were definitely not bubbly or having orgasms who were, nevertheless, extremely competent and professional in bed. SUPER hot.

 

I'm definitely not a leftist! I'm a libertarian conservative. I have switched to the Republican party because they are America's last hope against Islamism, illegal immigration, communism, and anti-racist nihilism not to mention establishment and radical feminism.

I have only read the first 30 pages of Sexual Personnae. I was very irritated by her support of the old double standard. How is that sex positive? It sounds money positive to me.

She is also a hypocrite. She boycotted the Sopranos because she finds them insulting towards Italian men. Turn it off! I find the Sopranos refreshing. They had strippers, not street walkers. The Godfather is my favorite book and movie but they were some creepy dudes.

 

Exactly. Islam is NOT a religion of peace, unless their version of piece is everyone submitting to the will of Allah and women submitting to the will of men. Islam is a religion of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave. Kill homosexuals--cut the clitoris off of women--put women in dark clothing--spit on the ground every time you see a Christian or a Jew...Islam is incompatible with the West.

 

Now you guys are talking politics.

I disagree to the broad statement about how multiple faiths can't co-exist in the same country.

All faiths have their violent sects and those need to be squashed and rooted out. But if multiple faiths were a genuine conflict, friends of mine who have a different faith from me shouldn't be able to be chill with me, yet we get along just fine, and play video games together, do school projects together.

Also people of certain faiths in the west, grow up in different circumstances than those in the country of their nationality, so their psychological outlook on life is completely different.

Anyway if you guys want to debate religion and politics meet me on that forum and let's continue this debate.

 

One in four young Muslims support suicide bombing to defend Jizzlam in certain instances. But yes we can continue the debate...where?

 

I'm an atheist and I dislike all religions. But I'd like to say that the female mutilation isn't something typical of Islam. Animists in black Africa do the same. Christians in black Africa do the same.

Islam is pre-medieval and a pain in the ass. Like all religions.

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After writing this post, I went back to read some of the posts in the thread... wow! How violent it has become. People attacking people they don't know, stories the detail of which they don't know. People attacking people for the way they choose to live their lives and have sex. People attacking people because of the way they choose to spend their time. People even defending rapists.

A little compassion would go a long way. Why the need to hurt? Behind typed words, there are human beings. Even when people invent stories we find hard to believe, their lies are a show of their fragility, of their frustrations. Why not to just let them vent it? When we don't like, we have the option of not reading.

Peace and love.

 

Whoa. Kudos to you for not being a brain-dead liberal. Still, you go further right than me on immigration and Islam. But not by much.

Alright, at the risk of being a hypocrite myself, I must say that although I've researched fuckloads of internet resources on her, I have not read her books. But I got a tablet for Christmas from my mom's friend, and now I will...then I'll get back to you. Deal?

As for the Sopranos, I'm completely indifferent. Just like she loves Daniela Mercury, and hates Lady Gaga (I'm diametrically opposite). She sort of picks cultural winners, and that's the part of her that I do not care about. I do think The Godfather is a hell of a movie too, though. I also thought the Sopranos was entertainment on a par with Dexter, House, and Breaking Bad. Although nowhere near Curb Your Enthusiasm.

But that wouldn't make me write her off.

Edit:BTW, my favorite movie is Carnage!

 

Not that I'm really a fan of Mistress Paglia, she does seem to like to hear herself talk, but I do live a good fashion quote:

“For all the feminist jabber about women being victimized by fashion, it is men who most suffer from conventions of dress. Every day, a woman can choose from an army of personae, femme to butch, and can cut or curl her hair or adorn herself with a staggering variety of artistic aids. But despite the Sixties experiments in peacock dress, no man can rise in the corporate world today, outside the entertainment industry, with long hair or makeup or purple velvet suits.”
― Camille Paglia

 

Deal. I look forward to hearing back.

I'm still leaning towards thinking she's an idiot. The money establishes control? No, hos are completely out of control! Attraction establishes control. You have to know what you want. For example, I just turned down a guy the other day, and he wasn't all that bad looking. That's because I already have my harem or stable, so I don't need any more lovers. If I were a prostitute, he could have just bribed me and that would have been that. I think she's a bad influence on impressionable young girls and women.

 

Noted.

Edit: Even though I am a personal fan of Camille Paglia, I am no slut-shamer. So much so that sluts never ever wanted to have anything to do with me, for reasons unbeknownst to me to this day, every other guy seemed elligible for a fuck other than me; and yet and still, painful as it was, I've always supported them. I think this should be enough proof of my neutrality on the matter.

That being said, I do not think being a slut gives you any moral high ground. Especially if you insist on spilling the beans. My heroes keep their bedroom lives private.

@Samantha: you seem to be swapping slut-shaming for hooker-shaming. Why? How else would guys like me get laid that sluts aren't into?

 

Oh no, I didn't mean to ho bash. I just use ho as a slang term. It's not meant to be derogatory.

I hate to see sluts and hos fighting. Those words are often used interchangeably anyway. They should unite. But you know women. They have to be catty and competitive. It's like crabs in a barrel syndrome, claw each other down to make themselves feel good. That's why part of why I pretend to be a prude, to stay out of it. I agree with you that spilling the beans is an incredibly bad idea in this sex negative sexist Puritanical society.

 

This part here you added, yourself. I think it's a bad idea in general. Same with crowing about your salary. Or talking about your stool at a dinner party. Or even boring everyone else with how much you love your hubby.

It's not so much a matter of 'society' to me, but of good boundaries and keeping personal things personal.

It's not that you don't talk about it at all, but that you talk about it to someone who's willing to listen rather than imposing.

 

Islam is all chattle and slavery? Try reading the bible, and don't skip on the old testament. Homosexuality is evil, but mounting a girl who is not yet in her menses age is fine, as long as she is one of your wives. Yep, plural, as in have as many women as you want. Hell,shag your slave, to since she already sees to the other wifely duties. They will all make babies if you mount them often enough.

Why is it nobody wants to admit that the jews started the whole mess, Islam and Christianity were just later branches of the same "death to unbelievers" philosophy? It's why the Middle East is still at war with itself, much as it has been since the Jews started getting kicked out of nations.

And a note from a woman on why selectivity still rules, even in more sexually liberated culture? I have to be selective because every time I have sex, there is some chance the contraceptive will fail. A man can just leave, but I am stuck with a pregnancy whether I can find his last name or not, as well as the consequences of how I handle that. there is the emotional burden of adoption or abortion, both with physical side affects, or years of child rearing. men can legally get away with cutting a check and never being seen again, and nobody may even know about the bastards he left behind.

I am not saying every owner of a penis has no regard for ofspring or the one to produce them. However I have a biological father who threatened to kill a judge for lying about the DNA test that I have never met. Ass-hat males are still out there, and I refuse to help them spawn, let alone spawn myself. This does not make me a prude, just cautious. I expect the people I spend time with to be decent human beings, and I crop as needed.

As far as slut shame? Did you know that many a japanese house wife blamed the middle school girls their husbands fucked then bribed for the infidelity? Clearly the man was seduced by the evil slut of a middle school-er. It's all the home-wrecker's fault. that's because it's less shameful then admiting that you married a pedophile then it is to blame a girl who has just started to grow pubic hair. Think it stops in Japan? Think again. An American woman who finds out that her husband fucked his own child may just blame the child rather than admit to what a sicko she married. An american woman wo finds out her daughter was raped also looks like a failure as a mother, but if her daughter is a slut who asked for it? Well you know kids these days, so rebellious.

So, next time you hear slut shaming, ask how many times the speaker has caught their partner cheating on them. Guys with partners who cheat or are chronic cheaters are more prone to slut shame then guys who have low drama romantic history.

And the age old rape card. If the 8 year old is told that this is a special game and it's a secret so they don't tell or scream, is it really rape, or did that count as consent because they held still and let the grown up do what they liked? On the other hand, when she says "No, stop, it feels good" then grinds on his dick with no panties on, is it still rape when he sticks his dick in the waiting hole, even though she claims to say "NO! STOP!" in a forceful manner? Does that fact change because a girl is over 18? When it comes to clearing up rape, women can sure complicate the fuck out of it when no only means no some of the time and this is a cultural norm. For the man who does not want to be caught in the manipulation trap that "no means: try harder" actually is, then take "no" at face value at all times. It will make my life easire because I have had guys ask me "But what do you REALLY mean?" after I told them exactly what I really meant and I don't like it, so why should you even have to put up with asking such things?

Maybe guys would do better by being more selective then women on average in the long run.