The Donald Trump Score Card

It's the same policy Obama enforced. If you're arrested at the border, you go to jail. However, your children don't go to jail with you. They go into a government version of foster care. Tat's the price to be paid by using a baby as a human shield to sneak into a country.

What country lets you take your kids to prison with you? It sounds so enlightened.

 

Apparently not

 

Yawn, sure he is, sure. This partisan stuff is snooze-worthy. I can't imagine hanging on to either party with such fervor.

 

Wrong.

Under the Obama administration people caught entering illegally on their first offense werent jailed or tried criminally, they were sent to a detention center with their children to await being seen in immigration court, where they were then allowed to proceed with an asylum claim or deported with their child. At no point were children seperated from their parents. This is a new policy under the Trump administration

 

This isnt a partisan issue, it is a moral one

 

It is NOT the same policy Obama enforced. Children of tender age were never separated from their parents under Obama or any other American President and placed in detention centers. You have a Fox News, Alice and Wonderland view of reality. The parents haven't been convicted of crimes and are not in prison. Past administrations haven't done this. It's part of a deliberate policy, which Sessions calls "the law" and Secretary Nielson says isn't even a policy. No amount of sophistry can disguise the barbarity of what's being done to these children.

 

Agreed, Amy and Chelsea were off limits. A guy got kicked out of college for trying to interview Chelsea, silly journalist. I guess he's lucky he didn't mysteriously vanish or end up in a closed garage with the engine running.

The Bush daughters were fair game once they started drinking and one of the Obama daughters was photographed hitting a bong. And of course making fun of Palin's kids became downright popular, even her disabled son.

Face it, we have a bunch of rude ass ghouls in the press these days, which is why, even after reading dozens of news sources a day, I personally can't trust more than a tiny sliver of the stories.

 

Yea, I forget, under Obama most of the children arrived at the border alone or with other children.

 

So what's your point? These people are fleeing the violence in Central America with their children because it isn't safe for them there. They then find that their kids are snatched from them without knowing for how long or whether they'll ever see them again. Many are toddlers. And you're trying to justify this? This is a new policy. It's a Trump-Sessions policy. It could be ended with a phone call.

 

OK thanks. I read a report by a doctor who went into one of these places where the under 12 children are kept. It was horrible to read.

 

So are you denying that the separation of parents and children at the border is happening? Are you trying to make some sort of equivalence between that Trump Administration policy and insensitive comments by private individuals about his kids? Wasn't it Rush Limbaugh who referred to Chelsea as the "dog in the White House"? Wasn't it a GOP staffer who had to resign after her Facebook post criticizing Sasha and Malia Obama for their "classless" appearance? But that's all a diversion from the real issue: child abuse by the Trump Administration against these kids. We can't dismiss that reality because of what "rude ass dudes" in the press have said about President's kids.

 

The report I read is from a doctor who visited one of these Trump detention centers. The "LAW" is no staff contact with these kids. The doctor reported the kids are just left on these rubber mats without anyone touching them. I didn't see anything about how the children are fed. I did read that Trump's head of Homeland Security Department is saying these parents who bring their children to the USA "are committing fraud against America." I haven't seen anything this outrageous since US troops tortured Iraqi civilians at Abu Ghraib Prison!

 

Okie...Maybe we should have Sophie's Choice as required reading before joining Hipforums?

 

Establish refugee camps . Old hippies would best know how focalize and get it done .
It's both kind and communal .

 

You listen to Limbaugh? Oh y-I-kes!

Regardless, I don't believe in Trump concentration camps, the Loch Ness monster or the tooth fairy either. What I'm hearing here is a collection of people who utterly believe anything the press says, as long as it's bagging on Trump. I get my fill of that crap faster than most I guess. It's all a game and you're falling for it.

 

What makes you think this is all a big lie? I mean, other than the fact that you don't want to be one of the 'suckers' who is 'falling for it'?
Do you actually know anything about it, or do you just like feeling superior to people?

 

Oh now, don't get personal with me, it's a waste of time. I have no need for superiority complexes. I simply do not trust the majority of the media. In fact I don't trust any of the outlets, but every so often there's a writer who breaks through the shit and tells a bit of the real story. I only wish we had them all in one place instead of scattered among the sensationalizers and flat out liars that make up the bulk of our press.

 

I'm particularly appalled at Sessions' use of Saint Paul in support of the policy, and at Sara Huckabee's defense of this--proving once again that the Devil can quote scripture. First of all, Romans13 , used by slave owners as justification for their nefarious practices, was never incorporated as a source of law by the Founders into our Constitution, and indeed to treat it as a source of law violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Second, Romans tells us to obey the law, and I'd dispute the legal status of this new policy, since Trumps seems to be basing it on a misinterpretation of a 2008 Bush-era law misattributed to Obama,that says nothing about separating kids from parents, and his Secretary of HHS seems to think isn't even a policy. Third, Romans is being quoted out of context. Romans 13:10:. “Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” A more apt passage from Scripture is one by Jesus concerning treatmen of children, Luke 17:2 KJV: "It would be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones"

 

When you consider how old slavery is, it's not difficult to imagine it might be incorporated into various forms of propaganda along the way. And the KJV "bible" is a prime example of sheer propaganda disguised as a book of faith. Since slavery is still a part of life on this planet, I can only wonder what other published books of "faith" have encoded justification for owning people built in.