The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Flagme15

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    To be fair the democratic mayor, of Los Angeles, and California's democratic governor did the same thing. I do agree with you though, at some point I think these directives might lead to unrest.
     
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  2. egger

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    Kudlow thinks as shallow as Trump. Both thought that a travel restriction on China would stop the virus nearly airtight. Neither of them realize the travel patterns of people through China into numerous other countries who later travel to the U.S.

    For Trump, a travel restriction was a cheap and easy political move and one that is in line with his anti-China and general anti-foreigner ideology. This is about the only action Trump can say he took to grapple with the virus issue when it was in an earlier stage while he was failing to act on numerous other issues that needed to be addressed.

    He faltered on the more difficult aspects, such as providing test kits, medical equipment and supplies, and facilities for patients for overrun hospitals.

    His faltering was due in part to short-sighted mindset and acts of him and Bolton, such as disposing of the U.S. pandemic response team to save money. The cost now is a multi-trillion dollar bailout.
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

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    He'll get China to pay for that....

































    Or not...


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  4. stormountainman

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    Egg, check out "Democrats Are Handing Donald Trump The Keys To The Country" by Zach Carter. Then let me know what you think about the money to the rich part?
     
  5. egger

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    Trump could get lucky and the virus threat could be mostly gone in two weeks. The main issue is not whether he gets lucky but rather how a president addresses crises.

    In his early briefings, Trump seemed to be showing a limited amount of appeal to the objective facts and reasoning offered by medical professionals who understand the threat. Later, the talking heads on Fox on a Sunday evening broadcast changed Trump like a wind vane and he started making whimsical remarks. Trump appealed to an Easter timeline for relieving social distancing because it's a day that's special to him. After a journalist asked him if there was any basis in facts, Trump admitted there wasn't and said that Easter was simply a special day for him.

    Putting lives in the hands of a narcissist who uses his personal gut feelings over objective facts and reasoning to handle health crises is a recipe for eventual disaster, even if he happens to get lucky one time.
     
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  6. erofant

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    First leader in the world to be that stupid. Every medical expert globally is saying this is very serious and it'll get worse. World leaders are shutting their countries down because of this covid-19 crisis. Only Trump has the (demented) opinion that things should open up again and we should all go about our lives. Do you think EVERYONE else is wrong about covid-19 and Trump is right????? He already has made the supremely arrogant comments that he knows more about viruses ( and the environment! ) than anyone else. His comments are recorded on tape!!!

    Republican governors are begging for help as well as Democratic governors ………… but Trump only verbally chastises the Democratic governors as unprepared and at fault for their own states' lack of medical equipment. Do you think the American people can't see this??? You know - Republicans are getting sick and dying too. As they take their last breaths, I wonder how wonderfully they think Trump is handling this pandemic
    and how loyal to him they are at death's door. Or if it's another loved one who's dying.

    WE ALL know he should have acted more quickly from a Federal standpoint, as other world leaders had - S. Korea as the prime example. Trump wants to open everything back up - even as the whole medical community is reeling under impossible conditions without enough equipment and PPE for themselves. ONLY TRUMP is this stupid.

    He's only worried about looking good economically for his political survival. He's so self-centered that he'll risk the lives and safety of Americans - Republican, Independent, AND Democratic - so he can look good come November. That's why he wants to open everything up again.

    Do you actually think Trump gives a $h*t whether any of us dies?? He's worried about saving his political skin - nothing else.
     
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  7. Tyrsonswood

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    Yes, they can see it, but some will still support it.

    To them it's still a "Hoax"... Until grandma dies, then it's "The Democrats just killed Gramma!" or some bullshit.
     
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    As far as a homogeneous group, nothing comes close to an elks club in the “bible belt”. Some of the most blatant racism I ever saw was in a small community in the Ozarks...both the elks club and the former mayor. Actually I was a college professor and cultural geography was one of the subjects I taught. The first class included an admonition that any discrimination of any group by anyone was not tolerated in my class. But still the white- boy network persisted and it took constant effort to prevent it. Never once did any students of color, Indians, or LGBT try reversing the discrimination.
     
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  9. Vanilla Gorilla

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    It's far more complicated than that. Pretending on the news you are at such and such stage of shutdown / restrictions is one thing...actually physically doing it is a whole different story

    Iranians were too used to subverting outdoor public conservatism with their secret little clubs, hangouts well before this

    Are you sure you are aware of everything going on in Italy?

    Some countries just did not have the man power to fully lock down their whole country in the first place, it's totally dependant on the majority of the public to go along with it

    My city, big joke so far
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    Just the attitude we need. Defy efforts to try to deal with the crisis rationally. People who follow your advice deserve the consequences. Unfortunately, those of us who don't will still suffer from the obstinacy and stupidity of those who do. Same goes in general with Trumpsters. Besides warning of the dangers and explaining the consequences, there's nothing much knowledgeable people can do--except say "I told you so" afterwards.
     
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  11. Vanilla Gorilla

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    You've got nearly half your cases in one state, New York.

    Most countries in the world following the same strategy; lock down the whole country. Where did that come from? - Italy when they panicked. China never locked down the whole country, they had localised shutdowns with varying severeties depending on number of cases and whether it was an urban or rural area. People brought in from other areas to enforce the lockdown and help

    "deal with the crisis rationally" you say?

    People at home sitting on their hands in Montana, Utah, Ohio etc not even pumping out ventilators or volunteers being bused in to New York to help

    You think thats all rational? Experts my arse
     
  12. Okiefreak

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    The executive order in my state applies to counties in which several cases have been reported. It seems reasonable to assume that if several are reported, more are not, and letting nature take its course will lead to lots more. We have164 cases, including 5 deaths, so far. Texas on our southern border has 974 cases and 12 deaths. Louisiana, not far away, has 1795 cases and 65 deaths. The state borders aren't hermetically sealed. We can expect normal traffic to bring more cases and deaths our way. We couldn't handle a situation like New York's. Presumably, when a conservative Republican governor issues such as ours orders, it's not because he likes to regulate. He was responding to the facts and to the conflicting messages from the White House.
     
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  13. Flagme15

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    Because of Japan's aging society, Japan is actively recruiting foreigners to meet job demands.
     
  14. Vanilla Gorilla

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    How many factories in your state converted to make medical ventilators? They dont have to be state of the art 2019 models. They just have to regulate lung pressure, 1980s models will do
     
  15. egger

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    Trump Is An Authoritarian Weakman
    Coronavirus would be the perfect opportunity for an autocrat. Trump isn’t taking it.
    By JOHN F. HARRIS
    03/26/2020 04:30 AM EDT

    Trump Is An Authoritarian Weakman

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    "The notion of Trump as authoritarian strongman, however, has been cast in an odd light in this pandemic. Would-be tyrants use crisis to consolidate power. Trump, by contrast, has been pilloried from many quarters, including many liberals, for not asserting authority and responsibility more forcefully to combat Covid-19. Rather than seizing on a genuine emergency, Trump was slow to issue an emergency declaration, moved gingerly in employing the War Production Act to help overburdened local health systems, and even now seems eager to emphasize that many subjects—closure of schools and businesses, obtaining sufficient ventilators—are primarily problems for state governors to deal with.

    Trump’s apparent personal affinity with Putin, and other dictators, has caused foes to conclude that he has an aesthetic attraction to leaders who don’t let procedural niceties of democracy or law get in their way. But he has shown passivity in what by all rights would be a dream scenario for an authoritarian strongman.

    Perhaps the way to think of Trump is as an authoritarian weakman."


    "One debate concerns how seriously anti-Trumpers should take him. At one end of the spectrum are people who find Trump an absurd figure to be president but essentially the political equivalent of a professional wrestler—lots of bluster and puffery that is ultimately devoid of content beyond self-protection and self-promotion. By these lights Trump is dangerous in a moment like the corona pandemic because he is in over his head, not because he has lots menacing plans in his head. At the other end of this spectrum is the belief that he may not be guided by deep ideas in the traditional sense of politics but he is guided by some clear and purposeful instincts—toward elevating executive power (as long as he is the executive), punishing enemies, and weakening traditional constraints of custom and law. This is thesis of a pre-pandemic cover story in the Atlantic by influential writer George Packer.

    The other debate, related, concerns how seriously Trump takes himself. Does he have any ability to detach himself from his own performance, to self-critique and modulate, to occasionally give a knowing wink to the audience to signal that he understands his act as well as they do. Or is he so fully immersed in the performance that he is lost in it—no longer makes a distinction between reality show and reality?"
     
  16. Vanilla Gorilla

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    You basically just made a post admitting he didnt turn into the next Hitler

    You'll be wearing a MAGA hat next
     
  17. egger

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    Trump's behavior is like that of a reality show host. He's leaving it up to governors to compete for medical equipment and supplies while saying that the federal government might help them if they talk nice to him and say 'pretty please'.

    Trump has exhibited that type of contigency-demand behavior before when he became upset that a House member voted against him during his impeachment. Trump thought that she should have voted for him because he had paid her a compliment earlier about the loss of her husband.

    Similarly, Trump can feel justified giving Cuomo a hard time for not complimenting him. Without giving details, he accused Cuomo of not buying 16,000 ventilators at at good price in 2015 when he had a chance, like deducting points from a contestant on a TV show. Trump apparently picked up that accusation from the right wing blog Gateway Pundit that spun a report from the New York Department of Health taask force in 2015.

    It's the script of a competition reality TV show being projected onto a real life pandemic where a thousand people in the U.S. have died.
     
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  18. Tyrsonswood

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    Trump doesn't care about these people... Never did, never will.
     
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  19. stormountainman

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    Pushing up daisies?
     
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    When America's Constitution was written, the definition of a full human person was White Christian Land-owner. At that time a Black man was considered 3/5th of a human person. A woman was not considered a person and consequently was not allowed to vote or own real estate property. Today, in Trump's America a human person is identified by his white skin and the size of his bank account. Muslims and Mexicans can be placed in cages on an indefinite basis, and women must provide their bodies without consent for Christian style reproductive service. Working people are considered sub-human in Trump's world and are required to comply with at-will employment laws which mean you could be fired at will because you lack rights. In Trump's America one can be arrested for being homeless, because poverty is considered a criminal offense. In Trump's America, one could be instantly killed by the police and the family of the dead person would have no legal recourse. In Trump's America, any Muslim suspected of having Coronavirus could be charged with terrorism, if a White Christian claims to have caught the disease from the Muslim. If a White Christian man passes the Coronavirus to a Muslim, there will be no charges filed at all.
     
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