The day that Thatcher dies

OK. Wanna talk about Indigo Children?

 

Start a thread and bring an asbestos suit then

 

I've just noticed your age and location. I guess I'll let you off due to lack of experience.

 

Yes, arrogance does seem to have a radiance all of its own

 

When Thatcher dies I will throw a party and shed a tear.

A party to celebrate the passing of a truely evil woman - the tears will certainly not be for her.
A tear for every miner and their families she destroyed in 1984/5.
A tear for each community that was destroyed with them.
A tear for our country and what it became under her rule. And tears of joy that we may lay her ghost to rest - in a pit of fire and hell.

 

*sigh*

We can dream, huh? That might be the one thing I've read over the years that made me want to believe christian ideology

 

i thought she was dead, o no wait thats the queen mother. nah, i reckon they will shove ice up her butt to preserve her and stick her in the london dungeons.

 

O my God, this is anoying! Those aren't just my words, I quote it from the webmaster of the Margaret Thatcher Foundation!

This is a democracy, I don't have to shut my face because I'm from the Netherlands, and I don't have to keep quite because of my age, 18, which means I'm an adult.

 

There is no need to get aggressive with me.

You weren't around during the Thatcher era, this is because of your age and also because of your location. But it isn't a reflection on your rights to have an opinion, or even the validity of them

However, if you choose to derive your opinions from 'facts' on a pro-Thatcher website then you are allowing yourself to only hear one side of the story.

 

I voted for margret thatcher after the winter of discontent if it wasnt for her and reagan we would still have the soviet union and the warsaw pact

I liked her, I didnt agree with a lot of the things she did but the conservatives havnt had a leader since churchill as good as margret thatcher

 

Funny you should say that. He was a fucking lunatic too. Did you know that he had fascist views of his own, such as the sterilisation of the 'mentally feeble'? Nice to see you still keeping good company, j2m.

 

I didnt know that but a interest in eugenics was quite common before and during the nazi period as far as I know when prime minister winston churchill didnt sterilise anyone


lets see at the same time period most people on the left thought stalin was pretty terrific how many people did stalin kill

 

Oh right, lots of people were interested in eugenics, so a belief in forced sterilisation of mentally handicapped people is ok then?

And for the record, the only reason he didn't push forward with it was because the idea was blocked in cabinet.

Really j2m, you could do with being a little more discriminating when it comes to your heroes.

 

lets say you went back in time and met william wilberforce,lets say now he spent most of his life fighting slavery but because he lived in the period of history that he did he may well have not supported lets say votes for women

now I would critise him for not supporting votes for women but he still at that time fought to get rid of slavery

winston churchill was the product of the time he lived in hes not a hero of mine in that I think everything he did was perfect , but still he was one of the few western leaders that understood the rise of the nazis

he risked his political career because he wouldnt shut up about the need for re-rming history proved him right and the majority view at the time wrong

 

Where the mentally feeble' have been made that way through nature rather than nurture would it not be sensible to try and save future generations from the suffering involved?







I'm playing devils advocate here but it's a pretty interesting subject to think about for a bit...

 

You might as well say you'd praise Hitler for his interest in organic farming!

Your analogy is also poor. You seem to imply that eugenics was widely accepted. This was clearly not the case, or Churchill's cabinet would've backed him. His views were extreme and unpleasant, even for his time.

I agree that Churchill was correct regarding the nazi threat, but this does not make him a good leader - merely one who understood one particular issue. He made a number of disastrous mistakes in the way the military campaign against Germany was executed, and yet history judges him fondly because he was an amiable fellow with a love for cigars!

He didn't risk anything! His political career was a dead-end before he was made leader of the Tory party. The nazi threat was his golden opportunity to seize power - not a risk of any sort.

Of course, this is all by way of criticising your support for Thatcher. The only plus that you seem to have entered on her balance sheet is that she and Reagan (a gibbering idiot even before he became ill) brought down the soviet union. Historically, this is rubbish. The USSR was well in decline already. In fact, there's a stong case that Western policy was long misled by fatally flawed CIA intelligence that vastly overestimated the operational strength of the soviet army. Far from being a threat, it was already stretched, relying on outdated and poorly maintained equipment, with very poorl morale. A number of reports to this effect were made available to the CIA from information gathering in Afghanistan, but were ignored for political reasons.

 

Does that justify enforced physical assault in the form of sterilisation? And let's not forget that Churchill's definition of 'mentally feeble' stretched far enough so as to encompass the long-term unemployed......

 

Well, regardless of Churchill's definition I was speaking specifically about hereditary problems leading to a poor standard of living.

There are points of view from which sterilisation could be justified, for instance, if we lived in a society that had only 1% of the disability that we currently have would we not thank eugenics for creating a better world for the people living in it?

 

I never thought Id come on a forum like this and see support for thatcher...

the diversity on this site is great!

 

So your argument is the ends justify the means? Well why don't we just shoot them all?