The Bible contradicts it self?

Nobody is looking to win, least of all me. What I'm looking for, as the OP plainly states, are seeming Bible contradictions. The reason? So many people, like you, feel free to say the Bible is contradictory but as has been pointed out in this tread, the contradictions seem to be few and far between. So if you don't want to "waste your time", fine, just stop calling the Bible contradictory without proof.

 

The Bible as we know it has been translated, manipulated, edited and trimmed down from its original hebrew text by the church, therefore the only people who have any claim to what extent the Bible is true to its word are scholars in ancient hebrew.

Hundreds of examples of what could be considered as contradiction have been provided in this thread and you've chosen not to pay them any heed out of either sheer ignorance or because of the fact that they were copied and posted from somewhere else. I suspect that the reason few people have bothered to pick up a Bible and search for contradictions themselves is because for reasons I have already given it is a useless exercise. As a christian I came across contradictions in the Bible, and thereafter I was told of more of them. I haven't memorized any of them, just as I haven't memorized most of what I learned at school because most of the information is useless and is of no interest to me. There is no evidence of God outside of the Bible and outside of the word of men, therefore the Bible is only of interest to those who believe in God.

What I'm trying to say is that Christians are going to see perfection and non-christians are going to see contradiction. All that is needed to show things in either light is a very small change in perspective and sometimes a necessary turn of the blind eye. However you want to say it nobody is going to win this argument or its not going to reach many logical conclusions because the battle is mostly over the subjective meanings of words that have mostly been lost in translation anyway.

You say potato, I say potata.

 

What I'm saying is you have not, so put up or shut up, simple as that.

If you would please read the OP you would see that everyone of the people that have followed the OP have been answered or at least would have been answered, if I didn't have to "waste my time" reminding people like you, who just want say the Bible is contradictory without having to do the work, what this thread IS about.

The OP plainly states:
“Once again someone has made the statement the Bible contradicts itself.
Okay, one at a time what are they?”

This makes you just other person making the statement; the Bible contradicts itself, without bothering to prove it.

So once again thanks for your opinion but this thread is not about opinions, either yours or mine. This thread is about seeming contradictions in the Bible, if you have one fine, please tell us your favorite but if not please keep your opinion to yourself or at least start a new thread that IS about discussing opinions on the matter.


PS Even if you counted all of HushBull’s cut and pastes, “hundreds of examples” is a bit of hyperbole don’t you think?

 

This thread might be of interest to you: " Bible- Eye of the beholder? "

You can also start a thread on the direct translation of the Hebrew Bible.

But please, stay on topic.

 

I wonder if some of the seemingly contradictions arent because of how its been translated ?
Such as , " Thou shalt not kill", from what I understand , there wasnt a word for Murder , so , the word Kill was used.
Just a thought that made me ponder.

 

The christians aren't going to find any contradictions because they don't want to find any. They have too much invested - too much at stake. They have to somehow make everything work out. For them, the consequences of failure seem unthinkable.

I have been on the other side of this. I know what it is like.

 

So do you have any contradictions, brah?

To be fair, the same can be said to anyone that cannot find a contradiction.



Even if there were contradictions

1) I would still believe in God and what I have learned of God from the Bible/personal exploration
2) I would still agree with fundamental Christian values.
3) Would just show to me how Jesus gets the final say above all other prophets.

 

I'm not looking. Enough have been posted here already.

 

And how many of them have not been answered? A large majority of them were answered, even when multiple were asked at once.

 

While I dont call myself a Christian , I believe in God even though it appears that the Bible has some contradictions in it.
Man is fallible , God isnt.
Man wrote the Bible , God just dictated to man what to write.
So , if there were some things that didnt seem to jive , or looked as though they contradicted each other , it was due to MAN , NOT God.
God doesnt make mistakes , he fixes them.

 

Yup. The prophets were still people and kept their personalities as they wrote. So for example, saying that women should not prophesy could have been some sort of latent issue that prophet had at the time and it just spilled over.

But the overall message of love remains, even with the mistakes. The Bible is self correcting as the times change, and I think this was part of the plan. At the very least, the Bible gets us to think about what it means to be a decent and loving person in an exceedingly complex way. At the very least, the Bible is the greatest piece of literary ever constructed, studied, and distributed.

I think of it as something that brings about a WORLD culture. Reforms it, and masters it.

or maybe i'm wrong...

 

This is what was asked earlier in the thread by zencoyote:

This was my answer to him and pretty much my answer to you:

 

I read somewhere once, that only what was written down originally and in the original languages was inspired by God and even though we can get the truth from the translations, we need to be careful that we do not let the translation or scribal errors mislead us. I'm not sure I agree but it sounds like good advice.

 

In fact some of the newer translations use the word murder instead of kill.

 

Except that is what this thread is about, posting your personal favorite contradiction so it can be discussed.

 

Let me clarify something, in the OP I never said that I would personally answer every contradiction posted. In fact, I never in the OP said I would answer any of them. I just asked what they were.

A number of others have provided good answers to these contradictions.

I have been looking them up myself and posting the answers I’ve found but that doesn’t mean that my answers are the end all and be all of the answers to these contradictions. It just means that I’ve found an answer to the contradiction that makes sense to me and I’m sharing it. I’m willing to discuss those answers and maybe even come up with better answers but please don’t try and make this thread more than it is.

Intimating that some how if an unanswerable contradiction is found; that whole belief systems will crumble and faith will disappear and we’ll all become atheists is totally beyond the scope of this thread.

 

Ya, I want to excuse myself for being rude to you, NotDeadYet. I meant that many of the seeming contradictions posted were not being ignored and that many were doing their best to describe why it was not a contradiction. Not that they were ANSWERED as I put it.

 

I'm sure I am not the only person following this thread who has seen all the contradictions he is aware of already posted by someone else. This is not an inexhaustible topic.

 

Yes, that is probably true.

But I personally have chosen to ignore HushBull’s cut and pastes because of reasons I've already stated and also I would like this to be a more personal one on one discussion about a contradiction a person feels strongly about and not just a cut and paste battle to see how long a post you can make.

So if your personal favorite contradiction is amongst HushBull’s cut and pastes and you would like it discussed feel free to bring it up again.

Hey, we may not all agree but at least we can all be friends,
OWB

 

You haven't read any of my posts.

What I am saying is that people have posted what appear to be contradictions, including hushbull, but your subjective desire to preserve your idea of the Bible being perfect will not allow you to see any contradictions so there is about as much point you being in this thread as there is myself.