The Bible contradicts it self?

I was watching the history channel the other day and the present day location of Sodom and Gomorrah actually has geological salt formations that stand like pillars. So they would remind people of the story every time they passed. I thought that was interesting.

 

Don't forget the scorch marks that they found present at those sites

You raise an interesting point. Maybe it really isn't that great of a leap.

 

Hey, folks. This is all fascinating, but the topic is inconsistencies in the Bible, the OP has laid down a challenge to find one, I think I have, I've posted it seven times and nobody has provided a solution, although OWB claims otherwise. The question is, once again: Gen. 1 says God created birds and animals before man. Gen.2 says God created birds and animals after man. How can both be true?

 

They were both created on the same Biblical day. He created them in the garden.

Gen 1 describes the works of the sixth day. Gen 2 describes the creation of man on that sixth day in the garden.

 

Thanks for replying. A lot of God's light shines through in your posts, bro'. But Gen. 1 also describes the creation of land animals on the sixth day, before the creation of Man. Gen. 2 says that after God created man, he also created birds and animals out of soil to serve man. That's the apparent discrepancy I'm struggling with. P.S. I'm hoping somebody will show me up here, although to me this isn't the kind of contradiction that would make or break my faith. The Bible was never intended as a science treatise, and the sequence of creating animals is not the main point of Genesis. Let me give it a stab: Gen. 2 is describing the function of animals serving human needs. It's presented as a sequence because that's the way a human audience of the day could best understand the point. Now that we know about Einstein's theory of relativity and time, which came first or second is irrelevant, especailly to God who is outside time. How's that?

 

I believe this has already been covered in anothe thread.

 

Genesis 2:4-6 can be interpreted as a very quick summary of creation up to when God created man. Then once man was put in the garden the animals there were created in the garden only not the entire earth. That's my best shot.

 

or perhaps it was what spurred their imagination in that direction

 

Thanks for the link. I haven't been able to watch it yet, because I'm on dial-up.

Yeah, I can imagine them telling the story as they go by and then pointing out that the pillar of salt saying "this is what happens to you if you don't have faith".

 

Okay let’s see what won’t wash. Now I was writing about whether Gen 2 is sequential or not and bringing to your attention that just because the statement about forming the animals and bringing them to Adam to be named came after the statement about the forming of Adam does not mean that the forming of the animals came after the forming of Adam.

Does it seem like to you that my statement about what I was writing about, means that that writing took place after your comment about it won’t wash or does it seem like it’s referring to something I wrote before you made that statement?

 

Please show me the word after in Gen 2 I seem to have missed it.

 

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IE. Is firefox faster?

 

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The word used in Genesis is "then", in a context that means after. Then God commanded, "Let the earth produce all kinds of animal life..." (1.24)Then God said "And now we will make human beings..." (1.26) "Then the Lord God took somesoil from the ground and formed a man out of it..." (2.7) Then the Lord said it is not good for the man to live alone. I will make a suitable companion to help him." (2.18) So He took some soil from the ground and formed all the animals and all the birds." One thing after the other.

 

Gen.2.7 says that God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it. Gen 2.18 says that after making man, God decided he needed help. So he made animals and birds. It is clear from the sequence and context that the man was made first, and the animals and birds were made to help him. It does indeed seem that the man was made before the animals in Gen.2. I don't see how this passage can be given any other reading. Use of the word "then" conveys sequence, and the context provides a reason for creating the animals that follows from the creation of the human.

 

Here are the scriptures in question that I quoted earlier perhaps you would be so kind as to point out what you are talking about, I only see the word “then” used once and it has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

Also the word "after" is used only once and it doesn't have anything to do with what you are talking about either.

 

am really enjoying this thread , than you OWB for posting it !!!

 

Hi erzebet, you are welcome. I've been enjoying the thread myself and it’s given me a chance to think about and research some things I just never even considered before.

 

Sorry man. If you quoted these before, I must have missed them. I see the problem now. We were using different translations, and the translations made a big difference. What translation is this? KJV, 2 says that God, after having already created Adam, said he needed help. "And out of the ground the Lord formedevery beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them..." (2.19) RSV and Good News say:"So out of the ground the lord formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air..." (2.19) All of these indicate sequence, and that birds and animals are being "formed" after the creation of man. The passages you quoted are obviously from a different translation, and I see exactly why you don't see a contradiction with Gen. 2. Neither would I. Yours says:" Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to man..." There is no indication that they were formed after God decided to provide man with help. The only remaining question is which translation is correct, the one in which the Bible contradicts itself or the one in which it doesn't? Which translation are you using by the way?