The age of consent should be lowered to 13.

"Underage" is a relative term, though. I used Spain as an example in my previous post on this thread, where "underage" is 12. In some states in US, it's 15 I believe, while in other states, it's 17.

When I was 21 I dated a girl who was 16. Actually we ended up having a long term relationship. We DID express our love in a sexual way. It was legally legitimate where we were, but in some states in US, it would be illegal. I would be sent to jail for doing something that's legal in certain other countries. Well, was she harmed? Was I harmed? Nope to either. Hmm.... *shrug*

 

13 year olds are really young mentally...they are still kids as are many other teens who think they are grown. the age of consent isnt in place so much as to prevent older teens from being withyounger teens but to prevent sick ass perverted adults from taking advantage of kids. Even if you look at an 18 and 13 year old as a couple...the 13 year old is likely to be very naive and easily able to be taken advantage of and manipulated. Hell, when I was 13 I would lie about my age to older boys (I wasnt having sex though) and then go home and draw and play with dolls with my younger cousins because it was fun. I was a kid. Those laws are in place for a reason.

 

uh that's not really for me to judge but if i see a 13 year old walking around with an old dude, I still have morals and ethics, and I will probably look down on you and your situation unless theres something real there. and trust you can tell.

 

i have thought about what i would do if someone in their 20's, 30's, or 40's tried to have sex with my daughter when she was 13... i think i'd hunt him down and castrate him if he was in his 20's... remove his eyes and testicles if he was in his 30's... and take every part of him that he wanted to touch her with if he was in his 40's or over.... his fingers, his lips, his tongue, his junk... i'd have it all removed, then put it thru a blender and give it back to him in a zip lock bag. good luck picking up kiddies like that!


but i digress.... i dated older guys when i was in my early teens.. i had a 17 yr old bf when i was 13.. i thought it was really cool that an older guy liked me, and i would have done just about anything to keep him at the time... a few years later i realized he was an idiot, and it was kinda weird that he would want to date me at that age.... now i realize they're ALL idiots

 

yer outta yer mind, dude...wait till you see somebody older givin' yer thirteen year old the eye, and get back to me

 

i'm not gonna go running after everybody who looks at her with a machete or anything lol i just dont plan to let anybody molest her... and even still, that's what i've thought about doing... i'd definitely go to jail, so i'll have to think of a better reaction between now and then.

 

I still think the idea of lowering the age of consent to 13 is just disgusting....period. At that point, a child still isn't even fully developed, so what could you find attractive about a 13 year old? Only potential rapists/actual rapists would agree with this insane ideal.

 

No. I'm actually 16 atm, and by the time my gf can legally put out i can be arrested and repremanded. I don't really think any 13 yr olds would be interested in old men; so by changing the laws nothing will change. child molestation will remain the same regardless if childplay is allowed or not. unless the old man is very handsome and seductive, i'm pretty sure he'd have to abduct her just to do anything with her in the first place. then the justice system will take care of itself. this subject has no merit; it won't protect the kids, it'll only limit what they wanna do with whom they choose willingly.

 

2 words Roman Polansky.

Stay Brown,
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I have 2 daughters, and I used to be a 12 year old girl. (longer ago than i like to admit) I also have a master's level certification in child development. I know for a fact that 12 year olds do not have the maturity or experience to make the kind of decisions that come with the potential consequences of getting pregnant or aids or other stds at 12. I have to wonder what kind of 18 year old wants to sleep with 12yr olds? sounds pretty fucked up to me.

 

Thats usually why some of these old loosers chase them, their not smart enought to keep out of a bad situation. Once they are 14 though, fair game. But I feel that by 14 the girl should have gone through sex ed and safe sex classes so they are prepared to protect themselfs from early motherhood or STD's.

 

Not sure how you came up with the theory that people are rapist or potential rapist because they want the age lowered. You still need permission to have sex with them. Some people may be attracted to the girl because of who she is, not age, it's just that age gets in the way. Doesn't mean she was raped...

 

13? Thats just disgusting.

 

Spain already has an age of consent of 13. At one time the Netherlands had what might be considered a 'two-tier' age of consent with the lower limit set at 12 and the upper limit set at 16. What this meant is that while someone aged 12 to 15 could engage in sex with whomever s/he wished to, should someone have raise a complaint, charges could be pressed against the older party. I understand that this was rescinded about a decade ago. Regardless, the median AoC in Europe is 15 with several countries being lower than that. A few Mexican provinces have an AoC as low as 12 with some having no numerical age whatsoever. In said areas, the 'age' is set at puberty!

As I've said, In Europe the median AoC is 15. European youth begin engaging in sexual relations at the same if not greater rate and at the same if not lower ages than their American counterparts. In spite of this, Europe has a much lower rate of STDs and pregnancies than the US. They also had a much lower rape rate until a few decades ago, but the immigrant factor is largely to blame for that!

Lower ages of consent can be a benefit; but youth MUST be educated so that they'll be prepared! Several positive things should happen should this happen. First, having a high AoC allows young people, particularly young women, to use their sexuality as a weapon! There are many vindictive young teens who will do what they can to get an older person into trouble just because they're able to and NOT because they were actual victims. Don't get me wrong; sometimes force and threats DO occur, and those perpetrators should be put away for a long, long time! That's NOT what I'm talking about though! Punishing someone who did you wrong is totally justified. Leveraging the law for your own personal gain is NOT!

Second, Lowering the AoC can loosen up the court dockets with unnecessary cases. Court dockets are full enough with real crime; having victimless crimes or political offenses such as this only makes it worse! So long as an individual is capable of consent, who is the law to judge who has sex with who?

Third, high AoC laws not only cause vindictiveness, they also foment an attitude by many that youth are stupid and aren't smart enough to make some of their own decisions. While youth may not necessarily be full fledged adults, they aren't children either! It's time to stop dumbing youth down!

Let's also remember that in several cultures, it wasn't uncommon for youth to be given hands-on sexual training as s/he was coming of age. Whether we should do that is another matter, but I feel that we have got to get over so many of our sexual hangups if we are ever to evolve.

 

Sexual attraction towards teens is not necessarily considered pedophilia. It's Definitely not pedophilia if the young person has reached puberty! Pedophilia is sexual attraction of adults towards pre-pubescent children. Sexual attraction of pubescents is properly called hebephilia and sexual attraction of post-pubescents is properly called ephebephilia.

 

It seems like this girl's father was understanding. You're lucky! Many dads would want to use you for target practice!

 

Grotesque!

This thread and that other "Underage" thread = Very quesitonable

 

I must say it's nice to see someone who actually knows this shit. Right on. If I were to add, and at least the way I see it, sexual attraction to people of any age really means just "life"...in my opinion, anyway.

BUT, one thing I've learned over the years of talking to people on this matter is, most of them don't even care. To them, it's pedophilia if you're attracted to a 17 year old. Oh well...

 

Thanks for your defense! I think it's high time for people to understand the PROPER definitions of terms and words! Sadly, we've become so dumbed down that we fail to understand this!

Many people get too sensitive when you talk sexual activities, especially if it involves youth. Because there is such a stigma attached with teens and sex, many people - particularly parents - have conniptions when the discussion even comes up! This is despite the advances in sexual understanding that have come about over the last half century. People have got to understand that adulthood does not hit like a magic bullet at the age of eighteen or whatever. Growth is an ongoing process and you give children and youth a little bit of responsibilities as they mature.

I think that because so much of the entertainment industry in the USA originates out of California and because that state has an age of consent of 18, that people mistakenly think that 18 is the AoC nationwide when that's not the case. Only about a dozen or so states have an AoC of 18. Nevertheless, because of the culture which emanates from California, because of the more permissive attitudes which prevail there and because of such a high AoC there, I consider the state to be a haven for hypocrisy!

I have come to the conclusion that whenever a certain sort of behavior is repressed, there are always abuses associated with that behavior! Sexuality is NO exception! As I've already stated, In Europe (at least among the indigenous population there) lower ages of consent prevail there, yet the level of sexual abuse is lower than it is in other cultures. If you go to areas where the age of consent is higher, or you have massive sexual repression (not unlike northern Africa, the Middle East or southern Asia), the rate of abuse is much higher.

 

What some people fail to realise, is that some of us don't care what you call it... when you have an adult, taking advantage of a non-adult, it is wrong...

Does it matter if the kid is 2 or 12? not in the slightest... Once you turn 18 (or whatever adult is where you are), stick to other adults.

You know, those other people who are better able to understand what is going on and that there are sick people in the world who will lie to them and tell them anything they want in order to have their way with them.

ANY adult that has desires for children (non-adults) is sick and needs help... any adult that ACTS on those desires is a predator and should be shot.