thats sooo gay MERGED

Insane jester isn't gay I check his profile it said hetero get your facts right.

 

Are you suggesting that World War 2 was just a big bitchfight?

 

Sure, well, I can't tell you how many people have treated me as dumb and didn't listen to what I had to say, simply because I am blonde. I don't think that will be in my favor when I go look for a job...
Of course, not nearly as bad as discrimination towards gays.

I still think that some are making too much of a deal of this... Words can have several meanings, without one meaning influencing the other. One option is that in the future gay will disappear as meaning homosexual. Or the negative meaning will disappear.
I still haven't seen any proof that gay in its negative meaning is being used on a large scale to oppress gays, except that some of you feel like that it the case, because you feel that the negative meaning reflects on the homosexual meaning. But I feel there is a difference between how people using the word see the meaning, and how people hearing the words see the meaning.

I can't help but look at this with my linguistic background, semantics is a tricky business, complex, and mostly uncontrollable.

 

The origin is obviously derogatory. But it comes down to whether you see it as an attack on homosexuality to use the word even when it has ceased to have any direct relationship with homosexuality at all.

Personally, I think those who want to campaign against homosexuality have much bigger fish to fry, and should be going after those with a homophobic attitude, rather than just trying to censor people's vocabulary.

 

As Adolf Hitler began his ascent to power in the early 1930s, he at first endorsed a laissez-faire attitude toward homosexuality, especially among his close associates - thus helping to fuel rumors that he himself was gay. Sly insinuations about Hitler's sexuality came from his enemies in Germany and from members of the foreign press. American journalist Dorothy Thompson, for example, after interviewing Hitler in 1931, wrote about his "soft, almost feminine charm. I bet he crooks his little finger when he drinks a cup of tea."

Recently, German historian Lothar Machtan posited the theory that the fuhrer was indeed, in his early years, actively homosexual. Among Machtan's "evidence" were Hitler's many close, intimate-seeming associations with men who preferred male companionship.

One of Hitler's most loyal deputies, for example, was Rudolf Hess, who had been imprisoned with Hitler in 1923, following the Nazis' unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the government - the famous Beer Hall Putsch. After their release from prison in 1924, the two enjoyed a close personal relationship that Hess called a "most beautiful human experience," lasting until Hitler's suicide in 1945.

Hess' contemporaries had revealing nicknames for the sensitive, effeminate man, like "Fraulein Hess," "Fraulein Paula," and "Black Emma." Although Hess eventually married - at Hitler's suggestion - his wife later complained that her life with him was much like that of a "convent schoolgirl."

Also prominent among Hitler's intimates was Ernst Rohm, commander of the S.A. - the Nazi storm troopers. Rohm, a tough, brawny man who had been an army officer during World War I, became part of Hitler's inner circle in 1919, when the future fuhrer began venturing into politics. Although Rohm left the S.A. for a few years over differences with Hitler - Rohm wanted the storm troopers to be independent of the party - in 1931 he was invited back by Hitler and once again firmly entrenched in power.

Unlike others in the Nazi Party, Rohm was openly homosexual, admitting to associates that he was "far from unhappy" about his sexual orientation. He frequented gay bars, belonged to a homosexual organization called the League for Human Rights, and publicly advocated the repeal of Paragraph 175. An anonymous 1932 article called "National Socialism and Inversion" has been credited to Rohm's influence (or even authorship); the article stated that if Nazi Party members performed their official duties well, they were entitled to private lives of "creative eroticism" and "loving homosexual relationship."

Rohm established a kind of gay network within the S.A., assigning prominent posts to gay friends and lovers. Among Rohm's "sweethearts" was Edmund Heines, whom Rohm appointed first as his deputy and later as leader of the Munich branch of the S.A. Another of Rohm's favorites was Karl Ernst, who was nicknamed "Frau Rohrbein" for his intimate friendship with Paul Rohrbein, Berlin's S.A. commander. After meeting Rohm, Ernst had a meteoric rise from a leadership position in the S.A. to a seat in the Reichstag, Germany's legislative body.

Rohm and his close-knit circle - dubbed in a Munich paper the "Brotherhood of Poofs" - had powerful, homophobic enemies who convinced Hitler that Rohm was a threat. These included Joseph Goebbels, head of Nazi propaganda, and Paul Schultz, captain of the Berlin S.A., who warned Hitler of the danger in "the employment of morally objectionable persons in positions of authority." Although Hitler's decision to destroy Rohm and his network was framed as a safeguard against a possible S.A. putsch, it may have also been designed to put to rest the rumors about Hitler's sexuality.

On June 30, 1934 - called the Night of Long Knives - Hitler, Goebbels, and a small group of Gestapo traveled in the middle of the night to a resort where Rohm and his lieutenants were enjoying a furlough, sleeping peacefully in a hotel, some with their male companions at their side. Edmund Heines was dragged from his bed and shot. In recognition of his long friendship with Hitler, the half-dressed Rohm was given a pistol and ordered to kill himself, but he refused and was executed. Over the next four days, about 150 S.A. leaders were rounded up and shot by firing squads. In a radio speech, Goebbels announced that "a clean sweep is being made ... symptoms of moral degeneration that manifest themselves in public life are being cauterized." The following year, Nazi policy took a sharp turn toward a harsher interpretation of Paragraph 175, sending thousands of gay men to concentration camps.

 

Unlike others in the Nazi Party, Rohm was openly homosexual, admitting to associates that he was "far from unhappy" about his sexual orientation. He frequented gay bars, belonged to a homosexual organization called the League for Human Rights, and publicly advocated the repeal of Paragraph 175. An anonymous 1932 article called "National Socialism and Inversion" has been credited to Rohm's influence (or even authorship); the article stated that if Nazi Party members performed their official duties well, they were entitled to private lives of "creative eroticism" and "loving homosexual relationship."

Rohm established a kind of gay network within the S.A., assigning prominent posts to gay friends and lovers. Among Rohm's "sweethearts" was Edmund Heines, whom Rohm appointed first as his deputy and later as leader of the Munich branch of the S.A. Another of Rohm's favorites was Karl Ernst, who was nicknamed "Frau Rohrbein" for his intimate friendship with Paul Rohrbein, Berlin's S.A. commander. After meeting Rohm, Ernst had a meteoric rise from a leadership position in the S.A. to a seat in the Reichstag, Germany's legislative body.

 

Funnily enough, last time I went clubbing on got hit on by a guy who looked a lot like Winston Churchill.

 

IM NOT trying to portrait all gays as Nazi just the fact that lots of people think all homosexual man fall into the catagory of limp wrist femine type guys . well they are in for a big suprise. by the way the highest medal given to a soldier and medic during the Gulf war was given to a homosexual soldier who was step all over once he openly admited he was gay.

 

The beginning of the Nazi terror against homosexuals was marked by the murder of Ernst Rohm on June 30, 1934: "the Night of the Long Knives. "Rohm was the man who, in 1919, first made Hitler aware of his own political potential, and the two were close friends for fifteen years. During that time, Rohm rose to SA Chief of Staff, transforming the Brownshirt militia from a handful of hardened goons and embittered ex-soldiers into an effective fighting force five hundred thousand strong ** the instrument of Nazi terror. Hitler needed Rohm's military skill and could rely on his personal loyalty, but he was ultimately a pragmatist. As part of a compromise with the Reichwehr (regular army) leadership, whose support he needed to become Fuhrer, Hitler allowed Goering and Himmler to murder Rohm along with dozens of Rohm's loyal officers.

For public relations purposes, and especially to quell the outrage felt throughout the ranks of the SA, Hitler justified his blatant power play by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality. Hitler, of course, had known of Rohm's homosexuality since 1919, and it became public knowledge in 1925, when Rohm appeared in court to charge a hustler with theft. All this while the Nazi Party had a virulently anti*gay policy, and many Nazis protested that Rohm was discrediting the entire Party and should be purged. Hitler, however, was quite willing to cover up for him for years ** until he stood in the way of larger plans.

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The Nazi Party came to power in 1933, and a year later Rohm was dead. While Rohm and his men were being rounded up for the massacre (offered a gun and the opportunity to shoot himself, Rohm retorted angrily: “Let Hitler do his own dirty work”), the new Chief of Staff received his first order from the Fuhrer: “I expect all SA leaders to help preserve and strengthen the SA in its capacity as a pure and cleanly institution. In particular, I should like every mother to be able to allow her son to join the SA, Party, and Hitler Youth without fear that he may become morally corrupted in their ranks. I therefore request all SA commanders to take the utmost pains to ensure that offences under Paragraph 175 are met by immediate expulsion of the culprit from the SA and the Party.”

Hitler had good reason to be concerned about the reputation of Nazi organizations, most of which were based on strict segregation of the sexes. Hitler Youth, for example, was disparagingly referred to as Homo Youth throughout the Third Reich, a characterization which the Nazi leadership vainly struggled to eliminate. Indeed, most of the handful of publications on homosexuality which appeared during the Fascist regime were devoted to new and rather bizarre methods of “detection” and “prevention.”

Rudolf Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler’s personal thoughts on the subject: “He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, eliminating from the reproductive process precisely those men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice was, however, that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked.”

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The tone had been set by the Rohm putsch, and on its first anniversary-June 28, 1935, the campaign against homosexuality was escalated by the introduction of the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour.” Until 1935, the only punishable offence had been anal intercourse; under the new Paragraph 175a, ten possible “acts” were punishable, including a kiss, an embrace, even homosexual fantasies! One man, for instance, was successfully prosecuted on the grounds that he had observed a couple making love in a park and watched only the man.

Under the Nazi system, criminal acts were less important in determining guilt than criminal intent. The “phenomenological” theory of justice claimed to evaluate a person's character rather than his deeds. The “healthy sensibility of the people” (gesundes Volksempfinden) was elevated to the highest normative legal concept, and the Nazis were in a position to prosecute an individual solely on the grounds of his sexual orientation. (After World War II, incidentally, this law was immediately struck from the books in East Germany as a product of Fascist thinking, while it remained on the books in West Germany.)

Once Paragraph 175a was in effect, the annual number of convictions on charges of homosexuality leaped to about ten times the number in the pre-Nazi period. The law was so loosely formulated that it could be ** and was ** applied against heterosexuals whom the Nazis wanted to eliminate. The most notorious example of an individual convicted on trumped-up charges was General Werner von Fritsch, Army Chief of Staff; and the law was also used repeatedly against members of the Catholic clergy. But the law was undoubtedly used primarily against gay people, and the court system was aided in the witch-hunt by the entire German populace, which was encouraged to scrutinize the behaviour of neighbours and to denounce suspects to the Gestapo. The number of men convicted of homosexuality during the Nazi period totaled around fifty thousand:

 

Rohm rose to SA Chief of Staff, transforming the Brownshirt militia from a handful of hardened goons and embittered ex-soldiers into an effective fighting force five hundred thousand strong ** the instrument of Nazi terror. Hitler needed Rohm's military skill and could rely on his personal loyalty, but he was ultimately a pragmatist. As part of a compromise with the Reichwehr (regular army) leadership, whose support he needed to become Fuhrer, Hitler allowed Goering and Himmler to murder Rohm along with dozens of Rohm's loyal officers.

 

Röhm served as a career officer with the Bavarian Army during World War I. He held the rank of Oberleutnant with the Bavarian 10th Infantry Regiment and was severely wounded in the face in September of 1914 in Lorraine, France. He later was promoted to Hauptmann.


Early leaders of the Nazi Party: Ernst Röhm (photo right) standing next to Adolf HitlerFollowing the end of the war in 1918, he joined the Franz Xaver Ritter von Epp's Freikorps, one of the many private militias that had formed in Munich as a reaction against the Weimar Republic. In 1920, he became a Nazi-party member and helped organize the Sturmabteilung (SA). In 1923, after the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, Röhm spent 15 months in prison, during which time he became a close, personal friend of Adolf Hitler.

In 1924, after Röhm was released from prison, he worked with Hitler to rebuild the Nazi Party, but several intense differences developed between the two. Röhm resigned from the Nazi Party in 1925 and went to Bolivia to serve as a military advisor.

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Röhm's homosexuality
In the 1960 chronicle The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, author William L. Shirer says that many of the early Nazis were homosexual including Ernst Röhm. Shirer further stated that Lieutenant Edmund Heines, whom Ernst Röhm had appointed first as his deputy and then later as leader of the Munich branch of the S.A., was not only a homosexual but a convicted murderer. Historian and University of Bremen professor Lothar Machtan says in his book The Hidden Hitler that after the failed 1923 Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, Ernst Röhm spent 15 months in prison, during which time he became a close, personal friend of Adolf Hitler. Machtans book states that former Freikorps men knew "a lot about Adolf Hitler's homosexuality from back in Munich," for instance, his liaison with young Edmund Heines whom he says was also one of Ernst Röhm's lovers whose response to Hitler's criticism of his lifestyle was as follows: "Adolf hasn't the slightest reason to open his trap so wide - one word from me, and he'll shut up for good!" (p.212)

Professor Machtan writes that the young painter Martin Schdtzl accompanied Ernst Röhm to Bolivia and in February of 1934 when Röhm assumed command of the SA, Schdtzl was appointed to his staff. Röhm established a sort of gay network within the S.A., assigning prominent posts to gay friends and lovers. William L. As well, Machtan wrote that another of Röhm's favorites was Karl Ernst, whom William L. Shirer described as a former ex-bouncer in a homosexual café, who was given the nickname "Frau Rohrbein" because of his relationship with Paul Rohrbein, the S.A. commander in Berlin. After meeting Ernst Röhm, Karl Ernst had a meteoric rise from a leadership position in the S.A. to a seat in the Reichstag.

In his book, Professor Machtan also wrote that Hitler initially protected Ernst Röhm and others but eventually ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing after reports of their homosexuality began to surface in the media in response to the Nazi party hardliners asserting Paragraph 175.




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Röhm's return to Germany
In 1930, Hitler personally assumed command of the SA (storm troopers) as the new Oberster SA-Führer. Hitler sent a personal request to Röhm to return to Germany, offering him the position of Stabschef (Chief of Staff) of the entire Sturmabteilung. Röhm accepted the offer in 1931, introducing radical new ideas into the SA and staffing the senior SA leadership with his close friends and personal associates. Rumors also abounded that the SA leadership participated in homosexual activities, and Röhm's conduct as the SA Stabschef was soon under heavy criticism, particularly by the conservative German military hierarchy. Eventually, the closeted Röhm was outed by the leftist press.

The main function of the SA during the formative years of the Nazi Party had been that of a political army — namely, to supply the force to protect the party leadership and to attack and terrorize political opponents such as the Communist Red Front. Through violence and intimidation, the SA helped the Nazis become more powerful than the other political parties first in Munich and later throughout Germany.

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Downfall
Following the Nazis' ascent to power in 1933, the left wing of the Nazi Party — led by Röhm — continued to believe in the socialism inherent in the party's name. This radical faction of the party insisted on nationalization of large firms, profit sharing for employees, and cuts in the interest rates — all measures that were anathema to the business community that had supported Hitler's rise to power in 1933. Röhm himself spoke of "the second revolution" and vowed to act against what he termed reactionaries, much as the Nazis had acted against the Communists during their consolidation of power earlier that year.

Hitler moved swiftly to reassure the German business community. In so doing, a breach was opened between Hitler and the SA. The storm troopers, whose ranks were largely composed of dispossessed members of the working class, were anticapitalist in tendency and hoped to gain from the "revolution" they had helped win by their fighting in the streets. Hitler was of the opinion that the storm troopers were a political force who, once the Nazi Party had gained power, were no longer needed. Röhm, on the other hand, believed the SA was destined to be the germ of a "revolutionary" army for Hitler. While Röhm showed contempt for the Prussian military leadership, Hitler was well aware that he could not have come to power without the support of the Army, nor could he remain in leadership were the Army to withdraw its backing. Furthermore, Hitler realized he needed the Army's support to succeed the 86-year-old Paul von Hindenburg as President and Commander in Chief when von Hindenburg died.

In 1934, as it became clear that the president was weakening and approaching death, many factions in Germany devised schemes to position their own favorite candidates as von Hindenburg's successor. According to William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, a group of conservatives — including many within the armed forces — sought the return of Crown Prince Wilhelm, the son of Kaiser Wilhelm II, to Germany either as President or as head of a re-established German monarchy.

Germany's military leadership was incensed by Röhm's proposal in February 1934 that Germany's armed forces (the Reichswehr) be absorbed into a single organization wherein the SA would have a clear numerical superiority and thereby become dominant. The Army viewed the SA as a brawling mob of undisciplined street fighters, and the tales of homosexuality and "corrupt morals" were well known by the Army; the officer corps unanimously rejected Röhm's proposal, citing the destruction of German military honor and discipline, were Röhm's brawling storm troopers to gain control of the armed forces.

Hitler was presented with the opportunity to meet with the leaders of Germany's armed services on April 11 on board the pocket battleship Deutschland while reviewing the military's spring maneuvers in East Prussia. In the company of Defense Minister von Blomberg, Hitler met with army commander in chief General von Fritsch and naval chief Admiral Raeder. Hitler advised the commanders of the deterioration of Hindenburg's health and proposed that the Reichswehr support Hitler's succession to the presidency. In exchange, Hitler offered to reduce the size of the SA, suppress Röhm's ambitions, and guaranteed the Reichswehr as Germany's sole bearer of arms. Shirer's account states that it was likely that Hitler also seduced the military leaders with a promise to expand both Army and Navy in exchange for their support.

The tension within the Nazi Party worsened after further calls from Röhm for the "second revolution" (this time against the conservative power structure) and after a showdown between Röhm and Hitler in early June.

Similarly, the conservative industrialists that had supported Hitler's rise to the chancellorship in 1933 continued to voice unease over the socialist leanings Röhm shared with the Strasser brothers, in particular their calls for the second revolution. Through their close relationship with President von Hindenburg, both conservative groups — the officer corps and the industrialists — made their displeasure known to the president.

In early June 1934, President von Hindenburg, though ailing, conveyed an ultimatum to Hitler that, unless the tension in Germany was put to an end, von Hindenburg was considering a declaration of martial law. Knowing that such a step would cause power to slip out of his hands — possibly forever — Hitler decided he could no longer forestall honoring his pact with the Reichswehr to suppress the SA and end its plans for the second revolution.

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Death
In spite of the pressure applied on him, Hitler postponed his decision to do away with his long-time right-hand man to the very end. He appealed to Röhm not to press for the second revolution. Only when the differences appeared irreconcilable did Hitler finally make up his mind that Röhm had to go. Hesitating to the last, but spurred on by Göring and Himmler with what were likely highly colored accounts of "treason" by Röhm and the SA, Hitler was finally convinced to order Göring and Himmler to put down the "plot" by Röhm. Both Göring and Himmler had their own scores to settle and consolidated their own power by putting down the SA and its leader.

This led to Röhm being shot to death without trial during the purge of the SA — the so-called Night of the Long Knives. Following his arrest by Hitler himself at the resort of Bad Weissee on 30 June, Röhm was held at Stadelheim Prison in Munich. There, on 2 July, he was visited by SS-Brigadeführer Theodor Eicke (then Kommandant of Dachau) and SS-Sturmbannführer Michael Lippert, who shot Röhm at point-blank range after he had refused to commit suicide with a pistol given to him. Röhm may not have realized whom had ordered his execution as his last words were reported as "Mein Führer, mein Führer". The measures taken by Hitler's followers during that weekend were made legal after the fact by a decree in the Law Regarding Measures of State Self-Defense on 3 July. Ernst Röhm was buried in Westfriedhof (West Cemetery) in Munich

 

Early leaders of the Nazi Party: Ernst Röhm (photo right) standing next to Adolf Hitler

 

The tension within the Nazi Party worsened after further calls from Röhm for the "second revolution" (this time against the conservative power structure) and after a showdown between Röhm and Hitler in early June.

 

If Röhm had a idea Hitler was going to kill him he prob would had done Hitler in first. with a good chance WW II would had not started. on the CON side Röhm prob would had jointed the soviets " real bad news for England and the U.S. SO thank Hitler in many ways.

 

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We seem to have a disagreement here. I can't help but look at this with my language background and my studies on oppression and propaganda. Bigotry and hatred are allowed in a society and spread through many channels. I feel that the jocular use of the word gay is similar to the use of the N word in such phrases as "I'm not your ******;" while not reprehensible in this particular use, time has taught us to disapprove of the negative reference to an oppressed sector of our society. The same could be said of the phrase, "jew you out of."

I agree that the language is not the first item on the list of how to end homophobia. First we got to get them to stop killing us. These types of phrases play differently in the mind of the person who murders gays, especially when Gay, Lesbian, and Bi people think their use is okay. The two problems are intertwined. I would say it isn't the first item of business, however it may be the easiest to tackle. The 19 year old boy with a baseball bat who lives down the corner, I may never be able to reach him. But I might be able to affect his little brother.

Self Control, liechti, you both seem to disagree with me. That's fine. But liechi, in your country of Belgium, do they use the term Gay, in the same derogatory meaning that we do in America? If so, it's use is much more wide spread than I realized, which makes me even more confirmed of it's potential to condem homosexuality. And while I enjoy your opinion on many subjects, I doubt very much that you have experience with the phrase, "I'm not your ******," or "Jew me out of..." And sorry, I'm not going to search for the clinical study on the use of the word and it's implication to oppression, though there probably is such a study, or several studies in the field that support my contention. So, until you run across them in your study of linguistics, you will probably feel the same way. That's fine.

We seem to disagree, that's fine.

Baja_1000, while I appreciate the history lesson, I haven't learned anything new. I wonder if a link to the source material would have served your purpose. I guess, I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


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IM NOT trying to portrait all gays as Nazi just the fact that lots of people think all homosexual man fall into the catagory of limp wrist femine type guys . well they are in for a big suprise. by the way the highest medal given to a soldier and medic during the Gulf war was given to a homosexual soldier who was step all over once he openly admited he was gay.

 

somebody said, "they loved to use the word in multiplayer games how ever i have way to shut them up, the fact that Spartans and some of Hitler right hand mans were homosexual along with many other military giants the sense of gay man being weak goes right out the window " they shut up very fast""


No offense dude, by going around killing people and being military like IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, ABSURD AND WEAK. It is no courageous... violense and military action is BASED IN FEAR OF DEATH.

The strong man resist violence without fear through LOVE AND NONVIOLENCE, like Gandhi, Jesus, Martin Luther King and so on. Reguardless of the issue of homosexuality, since you brought it up, almost in a way to rub it in... This attitude that Hitler and the Spartans are somehow not weak is a problem. Like they are "tough guys" BULLSHIT.... Gandhi is tough, Hitler is a wimp.


Instead you should say there is no link between homosexuality and being a nice kind person... plenty of homosexaul are evil violent fear filled assholes, just as plenty of hetrosexuals are.

 

in that case we would be still be the niggers or slave of the british empire . im not usiing the N word as a racist coment but as a slave example.

 

Arguably no civilization, except for the Ancient Greek, were more gay than the Japanese.
None.
Just because they are a distant second, don’t hold it against them. Anyone would come a distant second being compared to the Greeks.
The Greeks were so gay that they literally saw no purpose for women.
The Japanese were so gay that their was more social status in having Brad Pitt on your arm than Angelina Jolie.
I just want it to be known that keeping gays out of the military is a friggin crime.
Look at history. The Nazi were the most successful gay army ever assembled. Nearly all of the highest ranking officers in the SS were gay. They were founded by a homosexual and their earliest meetings before they gained power in Germany were held in well known gay bars.
Not only was homosexuality the thing to do in feudal Japan, but they kept such good records of it they can trace it back to the individual monk, a man named Kukai who started the whole nanshoku or “male love” craze in Japan.
The rumor is that although sex was forbidden in Buddhist monastic code, he “interpreted this” as only pertaining to "heterosexual love" not intended to forbid getting it on with cute, baby soft, shaved, oiled up, impressionable young "grasshoppers".
And the reasoning the samurai used to explain why they didn't like having sex with women were no different than the reasoning for the Nazi or for the Greeks.
In a nutshell their argument was this, women have no use except for birthing children, they make for shitty partners in combat because they can’t fight.
In the ranks of the samurai, taking on young male lovers was the thing to do. Although at 18 the relationships were ususally ended for the most part because at that time, it was believed that the boy had become a man at 18 and was old enough to take on his own young piece of man ass. But to me that sounds kinda like, by 18 these ass kicking pedophiles don’t have interest in you anymore because now they want to get themselves some new young man ass.
You would think true homosexual love and affection for another of the same sex wouldn’t just abruptly stop at his 18th birthday.
Apparently it all came to a stop rather suddenly when Japan became obsessed with modernizing itself and becoming more like Europe. They began to do away with any tradition that they saw as being inseparably tied to the old “backward” Japan.
And make no mistake about it, once Europe, and their Judeo Christian attitude towards homosexuality caught wind to how openly gay Japan was, Japan began to adopt a more western attitude towards its “backwardness”.
None of this is neither here nor there as far as I am concerned because the one common theme throughout all of this is that homosexuals have a history of kicking people’s ass.
Evidently before warfare got so "high tech" homosexuals held their own.
Damn, that sounded pretty gay didn't it.

 

Kitten, if you really want to make a thread about gays in the military, couldn't you just start your own?