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I wish the military would have protected us on 911 instead of invading the wrong country post mortem. We're still waiting for the Air Force to respond to 911. Then again, we're still waiting for the LAPD to respond to the LA riots.

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Bin Ladin volunteered Al Quida to help the Saudis to take Hussain out.He was turned down,but it goes to show that they were known enimies.

 

Did i forget to say thanks?

A U.N. report released on Wednesday said the Iraq war provided al Qaeda with a training center and recruits, reinforcing a U.S. intelligence study blaming the conflict for a surge in Islamic extremism.

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The report by terrorism experts working for the U.N. Security Council said al Qaeda was playing a central role in the fighting in Iraq as well as inspiring a Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan, several hundred miles (km) away.

"New explosive devices are now used in Afghanistan within a month of their first appearing in Iraq," said the report. "And while the Taliban have not been found fighting outside Afghanistan/Pakistan, there have been reports of them training in both Iraq and Somalia."

Al Qaeda, it said, "has gained by continuing to play a central role in the fighting (in Iraq) and in encouraging the growth of sectarian violence, and Iraq has provided many recruits and an excellent training ground," it said.

The report said that al Qaeda's influence may soon wane in Iraq, citing some fighters' complaints that they were unhappy to learn upon arriving in the country that they would have to kill fellow Muslims rather than foreign fighters or could serve their cause only as suicide bombers.

The report was prepared by a team of experts set up to monitor the effectiveness of Security Council sanctions imposed on the Taliban and al Qaeda shortly after the September 11 attacks on the United States.

A 2001 council resolution requires all 192 U.N. member-nations to freeze the assets and travel of any person or group suspected of ties to al Qaeda or Afghanistan's former Taliban rulers, and bars arms deals with them.

President Bush faced heavy criticism from political foes after parts of the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate leaked out this week, revealing intelligence experts' conclusion that Islamic extremists were "increasing in both number and geographic dispersion" due to the Iraq war.

The study, prepared in April, said the war had become a "cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement."

U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said it was natural that war would lead to more violence, citing as an example Japan's World War II attack on Pearl Harbor and the U.S. response.

"If you said after the attack on Pearl Harbor that the American response had increased the violence in the Pacific, you would be right, wouldn't you? Because violence did increase after the attack and after our response," he told reporters.

"We are in conflict with international terrorism and the nature of that conflict is playing out in Iraq," he said.

 

Can you imagine putting yourself in harms way,seeing your brothers get wounded and killed along side you and in the end all your aggresion did was fuck things up for everybody.They died to help feed terrorism.What a waste.

 

The issue isn't so much whether things are set in stone. One of the problems is that it's politically unpopular for the White House to use American troops in those types of situations. The past has shown repeatedly that the govt has trained groups to be insurgents to try to deal with problems and those groups end up creating more problems down the road for the U.S.

The U.S. could have used its own troops in Afghanistan rather than train religious fanatics to become insurgents and terrorists. That would have been highly unpopular politically, though. It sounded like a good plan in the short run. In the long run, it turned out U.S. troops would have to battle some of the same religious fanatics they trained to be insurgents. It's shallow minded thinking on the part of the politicians.

Today we have to wonder what groups are being trained by the U.S. to be terrorists that will come back and haunt us ten years from now.

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The Saddam in the closet of Rummy, special envoy to Saddam:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2177

How the training of terrorists backfires:

http://www.plp.org/misc/oblncia.html



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They couldn't. Dick Cheney ordered them to stand down. "Just following orders".

 

Shag - Hi. I still don't get your point. We also trained police officers that have turned around and commited crimes. Tim McVeigh was Army trained. Who knew he'd use his training to do what he did! Businesses who set up shop in other countries hire locals to run things and often get burned when the people they've hired and trust use their local work ethics (or lack of) that result in rip offs and embezzlement? How many trusted foreign political officials siphon off money from aid funds to line their own pockets? Where's your shock about that? The vast majority of trained people use their training for its intended purpose and they do it right. It seems like some people want to dismantle entire systems when things don't go exactly as planned in a portion of that system. How in the world would anything ever get done if we followed that rule, because people turn on each other in just about any situation that requires vulnerability, reliance and trust between people. There is no crystal ball that will guarantee the outcome of anything we do anywhere. Most of what we do in life is in response to immediate or anticipated situations, using best knowledge AND best guess. You know something different? Monday morning quarterbacking may be your way, most others prefer to call the shots and act on the situation at hand and move forward. Have you ever been in a REAL decision making position? Stop and Kibitz after the fact seems to be a pretty popular activity with some of the writers here. Don't ever believe the world operates in black and white as some seem to think. Have any of you been to or lived in the Middle East? I've spent years over there and definitely have a different understanding of events and the people there than you. That's my knowledge. My knowledge gives me a different answer to the ideas posed here by some of you, but I'll bet the compounding difference is that none of the kibitzers here will do anything to gain the knowledge expected to be had in order to truly be knowledgable about the very subject they argue wrongly about. Yep, I said wrongly! I compare your unfounded statements to what I have experienced and have to scratch my head and think, 'How do they know if they've never even been there or done that?'. When it comes to judging the events that exist in the Middle East, experience is just about the only qualification that will give you a true picture of the how, what, when, where and why things are they way they are. It's too uniquely complex and at the same time very simple, and there is no way in hell someone sitting in Anytown USA will ever truly understand these events based on the media sources most Americans rely on. Another qualification would be someone who possesses an energetically aggressive desire for information, with an open mind, and it ain't here! Flower...still with ya girl!

 

Part II - I've known ever since I was a kid living overseas that drug sales were used to fund all kinds of subversive activities other that the drug trade itself. Seen it, know it! The facts are all over the place that a portion of the money made from selling drugs here in the states is used to directly and indirectly fund terrorist cells and organizations (in some instances specific drug operations were used solely for direct funding support of Al Quida). Yet, reports show that when this fact was presented to the public through an advertising campaign after 9/11, there was no indication of a change in the use of the high profit substances. There was more of a reaction from wine drinkers about Frances stance on Iraq then there was from our drug using community who strongly denounce our soldiers, our government and our country, yet continue to supply their own pleasures, no matter the 'dead serious' cost to others. You bad mouth your own people and refuse to curb your personal habit that funds the people that are out to destroy you world. Even the pro-cannabis web-site admits that some drug profits are making their way to terrorist cells and groups. They must be laughing their asses off at the naive and ignorant (strong explative here) people that are...you!. Then I read the cute little sayings like 'perpetual peace', 'peace, love', 'hey, what's the best drug to get started on', on peoples posts. I was trying to find in my dictionary a stronger word than 'hypocrite', but the moderators are strict on some forms of expression. And I'm sure there are people out there that this will completely pass over their heads and deny. Self-righteous and hypocritical anti-war drug users who will not inconvenience their lifestyles even though it supports what they strongly denounce in others. Still with ya, Flower!