Terry Schiavo

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Pressed_Rat, Mar 19, 2005.

  1. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    i think it is more inhumane to keep her around so family can look at her and feel sorry for her, and keep themselves content until it is actually time for her to die.
     
  2. robostiltzkin

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    The medical definition of "life support" does not include the feeding tube. Life support refers to mechanical aids to carry out functions performed by systems of the body. For example, respiration, circulation, blood pressure regulation, excretion and the like. Food supply therefore is not included. This would be tru if she were on an IV as well. Her digestive system is capable of digesting food, and some argue that she could eat w/o the feeding tube, were the nurses allowed to try to feed he that way. But hell, I guess since she is disabled, we should just kill her, huh? You sound as if someone is on life support, they shouldn't be allowed to live. I feel sorry for your parents when they get older. They don't stand much of a chance.

    "If ignorance is bliss, then you must be the happiest person in the world." -J. Harry Botetourt


     
  3. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    ok let me ask this question. would you like to be bed ridden for 15 years????
     
  4. robostiltzkin

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    First, most experts agree she would not have been had her husband used all that cash to help her with therapy. Second, if I had a chance to live after that, sure. I would not want a court of "law" or my s*ithead husband to make that decision for me. And third, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else would want. All that matters in this case is what she wanted, and that is very much open to debate.
     
  5. madcrappie

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    you cant even go outside to feel/smell the fresh air, you cant watch the sunset, or see the sunrise. you cant enjoy any of the fruits of life, you have a damn feeding tube running through your body. you cant enjoy any kind of food that you used to, you cant hold anybody, you cant kiss, you cant touch, you cant feel..... you cant drive a car, or ride a bicycle, you cant swim, you cant go for a walk. just all the simple things in life that you could do normally, terry cannot do. and she couldnt do this for 15 years. the thing is, we dont even know if she can comprehend anything. they say she reacts to certain things, but that is unknown.... she could be so braindamaged that she doesnt even know whats going on. she could be screaming inside that she wants to be put out of her misery, having to stay in a bed all the time, and having nurses turn her every so often so she doesnt get bed sores..... just think about it. you cant even get up to go to the bathroom. maybe inside she is screaming to kill her, but she has no means of letting anyone know. have yall seen metallica's "one" video???
     
  6. robostiltzkin

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    No you're wrong. She has not had any type of therapy, she has had "care". There's a big difference. Second, many doctors who have seen her have not reached that conclusion, including one who is up for the Noble Prize in Medicine this year, for treatments for people with this lady's condition. Third, her "husband" could have done the decent thing, if he didn't want to stick it out, help his wife, and honor his marriage vows, and divorced her. Now, she is treated as a piece of property by the court system, as a contract dispute, and her "husband" failed to honor his end of the contract.



     
  7. robostiltzkin

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    The Metallica video to which you keep refering is make-believe, based upon a fictional novel. This is real life. There's a difference. Maybe you should spend more time in reality and you might value life a little more. Are we this desensitized to death?



     
  8. luvndrumn

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    I'm sure they appreciate your heartfelt concern... ass.
     
  9. robostiltzkin

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    I'm just sayin, you seem pretty quick to pull the plug.
     
  10. luvndrumn

    luvndrumn Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Fifteen years is quick?
     
  11. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    15 years is quick in god's eyes I guess.
     
  12. robostiltzkin

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    Considering all the doubt that surrounds her condition, yeah. Considering that independent doctors (e.g. not those appointed by her husband) say she could be rehabilitated, and that more people who knew her said she wouldn't want to die like that than those who say she would, and those who say she would are highly dubious.
    Considering that she is by all accounts (save Michael's) a victim, at least of his greed and selfishness, if not of outright abuse. She had numerous broken bones when they found her, face-down in her apartment. Those broken bones were not consistent with a fall but with blunt-force trauma. Maybe if she were actually rehabilitated rather than simply made to "sit there", she would have a chance at living a more or less normal life. People have recovered who are worse off. Her "husband's" been trying to kill her since almost day one, as soon as he got that settlement check. So yeah, it is quick. It is most definitely jumping the gun. And to those who think she has no brain activity, doesn't know what's going on... what does it hurt, to give her a chance? We shouldn't be so quick to kill those who cannot speak for themselves.
     
  13. madcrappie

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    maybe she is trying to tell everyone that she wants to die. you dont know that either, now do you?? you think you have the answer to it all...... obviously you dont, you just spout nonsense.
     
  14. Colours

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    what happend to her in the first place to put her in this condition? robo you said something about a fall or soemthing?
     
  15. DancerAnnie

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    Well, after giving it a little thought, there is a lot that has been hurt and could continue to hurt. The resources for one. The bed that Terry is in, could have been used for someone else. The time that the doctors have spent on her, could have been used for someone else, someone that has a better chance of survival and rehabilitation. The money that has been spent could be used in other areas like trying to find the cure for AIDS or certain cancers. The time spent in court, the money spent by the government to look into this situation....I could go on and on. Shouldn't these resources be spent on someone/something that has a chance of living and being a benefit to themselves and society in general?
     
  16. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    my thoughts exactly. thanx for conveying it in that manner.
     
  17. DancerAnnie

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    It has nothing to do with a fall...not sure where that came from...

    She had anorexia and her body developed a potassium deficiency which made her heart stop for a period of time.

    That's the gist of it, I guess.
     
  18. Goatman88

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    I say just let her pass on...She is not really alive. The Terry Shiavo that was here 13 years ago or whenever is gone for good. She will never be able to talk, eat, walk, or do anything normal again. Its like those weirdo necrophiles that keep dead bodies around their house for a long time.
     
  19. robostiltzkin

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    What I said was that she was found face-down, presumably from her heart attack. The doctors found she had broken bones that were not consistent with the fall, presumably the reason she was found face-down. Those injuries they determined, were consistent with domestic violence injuries (e.g. blunt force trauma). You are correct, though, that the heart attack, from K deficiency is what caused her condition, as I understand it.



     
  20. EzekeO

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    if she is suffering and is just totally out of it there is no reason to keep her alive she is not alive anymore i think she was gone after the first 2 years she was on the tube, i cant believe the parents just cant let her go they are her fuck*n parents they should now better! its like the cancer dealio that was goin on in utah i think when the parents found out there child had cancer and they wouldn't let him get the treatment he needed, people need to acutually get some sense into there minds! Terry has no reason to live anyomore she cant talk, eat, feel anything she is just like a pile of person on a hospital bed. The parents need to realize that it is time to let go of their daughter
     
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