Terrorists attempt to strike again.

Hmmm well pain can work to deter jihadis, if you’ve ever had to deal with a mad violent person I’ve found acting madder and more violent seems often to calm them down.


I remember having a guy get in my taxi this was 3-4 in the morning and getting out a big military style knife and waving it at me and passers by and telling me he wanted to kill someone to get put back in prison.


anyway what I did was tell him I understood and the world was full of scum and I then went on a rant about seeing stainless steel tigers, and I started driving on the pavement and hitting bin bags and such over and generally acting really crazy and hyper and like I wanted to crash my car into a wall ...... the effect this had on the passenger is he really calmed down, and looked scared and tried to calm me down.


During the reign of vlad the impaler jihadi armies were trying to invade Europe these people had a desire to die for Allah much like the modern jihadis, and vlad knew that he couldn’t out fight them because he didn’t have enough men.


so what he did was impale alive about 20,000 people on big wooden stakes in a valley that was on their line of march.


Impalement is where you drive a big fence post type stake up someone’s anus and then that comes out somewhere else on the body hopefully pushing major organs aside ,they can die days even weeks later its extremely painful possibly worse than crucifixion , this still happens in some parts of the world especially the Islamic world today.


Anyway when this tough jihadi army bent on a death for Allah saw this valley they turned around and went home ..


So if you were to I don’t know publicly crucify or impale terrorists this could have a deterrent effect even people who want to die for Allah may not want to be slowly tortured for Allah .


I get what you’re saying or about to say about what’s a terrorist, and personally I think it’s just a word, we burned alive thousands of children during world war two, you have sides and people use words and cruelty and someone ends up winning that’s it.


As for it being difficult to find people with passion yes but you don’t need every one to have that passion at the beginning of a conflict.

If you have a few people ready to throw themselves off a cliff they can have a effect disproportionate to their size in number , especially when faced with the average person who is in most circumstances quite meek .


A clear example of this is the news media in this country not publishing the Mohammed cartoons, now there may be a small number of possible assassins who would hunt down journalists in the uk, we haven’t had many British journalists killed in the uk but the threat is there.

And even with tiny numbers you had the desired effect.

Remember the march to support the right of free speech being to scared to show the Mohammed cartoons, now this may appear a slight thing but it isn’t , its normal in our culture to draw all historical characters but we now have one exception that’s dictated to us by a alien culture Mohammed .


If you look at cultures that ended up Islamised generally they have been meek and often it happened quite gradually, at what point do you make a stand?


If you want to do a very normal thing publish a picture of a historical character you are condemned as being racist or inciting violence ….this shows how you the victim of the violence have internalised the views the aggressor wants you to have and are now attacking people who are standing up to the violence directed towards you .

you saw this in people on the left calling ayaan hirshi ali a bully , and how they have sided with book burners and author killers


We have a situation where prime minister brown as just told his officials they cant use the term Muslim terrorist or Islamic terrorism even though these are both terms that describe what we are in fact facing .

 

"Racist."I'm sick and tired of that word. People ALWAYS use that word. I've been called "racist" many many times for my views, mainly terrorism and immigration. A black guy I work with at work has branded me "racist." You get to a point where you get bored of the word and eventually it means nothing. It's like someone calling you "gay" for the first time and you react. Then they repeat millions upon millions of times and then eventually you go "ok, I'm gay, whatever."

 

No smoke without fire England old matey...

Sources?? Or just speculation stated as fact?

 

well islam isnt a race ,cat stevens is white I think hes a bastard for wanting to burn a british author salman rushdie alive .
I see salman rushdie as british in that I dont see british as a skin tone but more your outlook , I dont see cat stevens as british whatever his passport may say much like I wouldnt see someone who fought on the nazi side during the war as british

 

Ive seen film of a impalement from sudan also cruifixtion , dont have links anymore can try to find it if you want

 

cutting off hands and feet
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/handcutting.htm

stoning to death
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm


The cruicifixtion and impaling videos were ones some former muslim friends had links to they may have been former jihadi videos, a lot of my friends and the groups Im involved with monitor jihadi sites and then try to get their isps to take them down if they have terrorist or snuff video content .

jihadis like watching people having their heads slowly cut off with blunt knives so you see a lot of nasty stuff .

do a search on sudan and crucifixtion and you will find it goes on quite a bit , impalement is rarer I remember there was a bit of discussion like now thier filming impalement what next

 

I didn't ask for links about cutting off hands and feet or stoning to death but thanks.

I was just asking for sources for your statement about impalement that still happens 'especially in the islamic world'. And we weren't talking about crucifixion either.

Believe me, I do agree with a fair bit that you say but when you make these statements with nothing to back it up apart from anecdotal evidence it does your argument no favours and is just speculation.

I don't like to see casual rumours thrown around as fact.

 

Sudan has crucifixion in its criminal code , Ive also seen eyes being pulled out again that can be a sheria punishment ,I know thats happened in nigeria not long ago the eye gouging I saw was from iraq or iran

 

What's that got to do with impalement happening 'especially in the islamic world' though?

 

you have a point didnt read your response before I posted ,well sadly I no longer have links to the impalement very possibly the site hosting it was taken down , what I was saying is it still happens and i have seen film of it .

I dont know of any other culture that crucifys people today, or cuts off hands or gouges out eyes or cuts off hands and feet ,

the impalement wasnt a big issue

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6268934.stm

another three caught inciting violence ....now Im happy they were caught and would personally be prepared to shoot jihadis but still I think its mighty sad that three young men have been fooled by religion and ended up ruining their lives .

Bit like during the war you meet some ss guy you would still be happy to shoot the bastard but couldnt help feeling its a shame he had been brainwashed or become a nazi in the first place

 

It's really not that brilliant mate, you're talking to a man who's family has lost a member through a house fire, 3 months of suffering from 90% burns, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. I think you should think before you scribble...as I said, I know what you're trying to say, you're just not sophisticated enough to understand the real implications. I'm not soft, it's a case of being understanding...if we all understood one another...who knows?

 

you think the "terrorist" label's been over-used too ? you sick n tired of that word too ? or is it only for the ones you get labelled ?

it's like someone callin you a 'terrorist' 'muslim terrorist' 'islamic terrorism' for the first time, 2nd, 90th and you react and you react and you react, then you're like "ok, im a terrorist, whatever" !

so we ought to stick with MUSLIM terrorist and ISLAMIC terrorism ..the billion plus muslim's are sick n tired n cant be bothered no more ..

its a sad state of affairs when sickness in some hearts and minds spread hate and promote divide among humans - bravo jonny and the rest! carry that flag forever

if there's any credibility left in media anymore that'd be somethin ..besides, jonny's been championin the cause of muslim-hate for far longer and enjoys comin out with quotes that helps sensationalise and earn a bit more hate ..

 

Just because people use the term muslim terrorist or christian terrorist or buddhist terrorist doesnt make me think all the people of that religion are going to start blowing themselves up .

But those terms makes sense when the main motivation for their actions is their religion , you have former terrorists saying that their main motivation was islamic theology not current events , but for some reason instead of addressing the real causes our leaders want to blame just Iraq or afghanistan or western policy .

Now in some cases these may be big reasons for people to get involved in jihad ,I dont support the occupation of Iraq went to marches against the invasion of iraq although I think there was a good case to kill saddam .

I think bush and blair should be put on trial for covering Iraq with depleted uranium .

but there is islamic theology independent of any of the things that are happening today as a cause , most jihadis see themselves as fighting for some future muslim super state there is a political agenda going on there thats directed at non muslims and other sects of islam so that shia kill sunni and sunni kill shia ect ect.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770 by a former jihadi

 

I think they are demanding that western forces leave the holy land. We just don't hear about it very often.


And for the record, I know we can't leave, I just also know that they have demands and are not just blowing themselves up to go to heaven and molest virgins.

 

Well they have demands but on a personal level they are just blowing themselves up for virgins and heavenly rewards .

Even if we got rid of isreal and got out of the middle east you do have a command in the last part of the quran the verse of the sword to fight the infidel , this command is open ended and for all time .
and you have promises of rewards for people who die doing this .

Now most christians do not turn the other cheek , and most muslims do not go out and fight the infidel all day but both commandments are part of the religions.

And when you get people who really try to follow their respective religions thats the sort of actions you get

 

Circumstances dictate the extent to which people follow these commandments. We act primarily according to human instincts, the way we justify to ourselves the things we do is largely irrelevant and almost always entirely inaccurate. The real reasons why people blow themselves up ostensibly for the virgins and the heavenly rewards is actually far closer to home and far better explained by reference to social and political conditions. Nobody really lives their lives because of what an ancient book tells them to do, but it does serve as a useful rallying point and justification of things when minds are already made up, informed by perceived injustices and instinctive in-group / out-group hatreds and loyalties.

 

"Nobody really lives their lives because of what an ancient book tells them to do"

you may not but lots of people do , you really should join a fundermentalist religion for a while not as a spectator but as a believer .

I grew up as a fundermentalist we used to have a living prophet I met him once in london and if he had told me to kill you I would have , no question no doubt .

I dont just think you underplay the importance of scripture I know you do

 

I don't doubt you would, though this is explained by your sense of belonging to a group and accepting, internalising and acting upon the instructions of those members of your peer group for whom you felt an intense bond of kinship. It has everything to do with these powerful human instincts and little to do with the 'sacred' text which was used to justify your beliefs. The belief comes first, transmitted to you by peers and leaders, and the sacred text justifies it (or appears to) after the fact.

I don't doubt fundamentalists believe literally and unquestioningly the truth of what they think these sacred texts say, but there are reasons why they hold these beliefs. People do not get their beliefs from sacred texts, they impose already-existing cultural beliefs onto them. This is how these sacred texts remain relevant (for these people) in circumstances utterly and unintelligibly alien to the circumstances in which they were written and to which they initially applied. This is the only thing which explains how different people reading the same texts can hold beliefs which are so radically incommensurate.

 

Fair enough.

There are parts of the bible that are just as violent as the koran, it just depends on what level of civilisation you live in as to what parts of these books get taken seriously. A full belly and lots of freedom do afford a degree of cheek turning and tolerance.