Taser cause of 17 year old death/

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Aristartle, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

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    This is, yet again, irrelevant.

    Lowering the voltage will just cause cops to tase people more times.
     
  2. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    And :

    Can anyone tell me the difference between a Volt and a kV (is that a kilo-volt?)

    I'd like to get a perspective on how much electricity is being used on people compared to say, cattle or sheep or whatever's in a light switch.

    Eh. Now I'm getting confused with Watts, Volts, American volts, and other things I would have learned if I ever took Physics.
     
  3. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    A one inch arc is equal to about 5,000 volts. (I used to build Tesla coils)

    The voltage isn't what kills people, its the amperage. High voltage is used because it travels outward in a way low voltage doesn't. High voltage will touch you before you touch the wire that contains it. It goes through clothing easily.

    Since people's nervous system is basically an electrical grid, you can attack any part of the body and still stun a person. Some areas have more risks than others. Around the heart. Anywhere up and down the spinal cord. Armpits. Bottoms of your feet even. Lots of nerves in all these places. Be a lucky shot, you can certainly disrupt the heart timing and cause death.

    Most cops just don't have enough training to use these things.

    Combine that with a high pressure profession like law enforcement, the people will suffer from whatever the officer is feeling that day. Most of the cops I know are decent people, but they're boiling cauldrons underneath.

    We need better training in humanity 101 and less on SWAT tactics.


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  4. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Many cops are benevolent and do help many people.

    Some cops simply love the power that their position earns them and will only abuse their powers when they feel they can get away with it.

    I actually do prefer the use of taser's to the use of guns, absolutely, but how effectively can you use a gun as a toy? How often can you get away with using a taser as opposed to using a gun, especially in public situations? You can get away with a lot by using a taser. It may have a very low kill rate, but it's still being used wrongfully in many situations.

    Other than protecting yourself, I don't believe in willful resistance in cases of abused powers.

    Am I saying that we should stop using tasers? No, but officers that do abuse their weapons should be punished (lower pay, etc).

    Also, once the suspect is apprehended, the taser should no longer be used. There have been cases of men in handcuff's being tased. What harm can come from a man being on the ground, handcuffed, and having someone sitting on their back? He has no weapon, is detained, so why constantly shock him? Is that or is that not abuse? If it's abuse, purposeful, intentional abuse that lead to eventual death, then does that deserve a criminal sentence of some kind?

    That video rat posted is very sketchy because it doesn't show most of the event. But if it was exactly the way it was supposed to be, then I don't know how constantly shocking someone is going to get them to resist, especially if they're on the ground, highly distressed and are dead set on not allowing you to abuse them. A more common sense approach needs to be used.

    Does it or does it not make more sense to use a method that works?
    Shouting at the man doesn't seem to be working, as we can see, it only makes it worse and causes unnecessary harm and drama. What if all of those people around the one being shocked all decided to gang up on the cops? I won't be surprised to hear of that happening.

    There are non-violent reasons for resisting an arrest:
    1. Embarrassment.
    2. A rush of adrenaline; Being incredibly irate at what is happening to you.

    In cases like the one shown in the video, an apology, and/or giving the man time to collect his shit together, calm down, then maybe they'll start listening? I am talking about situations where the taser was abused, because I know niceness wouldn't do so well against a man with a weapon and an intention to kill.

    I think that we're becoming desensitized to this and that worries me.
     
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