Support the troops?

Earthmother: I am curious to know are you wiccan?

 

I think that it was a hypothetical question, refering to 9-11 as DEFIENTLY an inside job. Like a what-if question.

Kind of like: Imagine if the country found out that 9-11 was perpertrated by the government.

As opposed to: This is what happened on Sept. 11.

Peace and love

 

heavy hearted there is certainly things that should be looked at very seriosly but the bush addmin. are puting up road blocks left and right destroying evidence and imho obstructing justice there is a link at www.tvnewslies.org of evidence collected by a republican senator or congressman who brought a suit against bush and buddies ill go and find it and will be right back with the link!

 

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Having never thought about myself in that light, I looked it up. And, no, I guess I dont fit the definition very well. I have been to many wiccan celebrations, but it is not me. I dont worship gods and goddesses, I strongly respect life and nature, but I worship nothing. I observe. I know the difference between truth and opinion, and right and wrong. I subscribe to no religion or organization, I only practice what I feel. I have strong instincts, perceptions, or whatever you want to call them. And I am driven to work on making this world a better place...

Why do you ask?

 

ok sorry that took so long i was mistaken his name is stanley hilton seinor advisor to bob dole (former i geuss) http://suetheterrorists.net/ some very intresting reading

 

also interveiws with jeff rense and alex jones at their respective websites talking about how he had been threatend by judges and soforth.

 

if al you dreamed up there was true this country would more than likly go to shit. and many many more people would join the revolution thread in this fourm. as well they should. but its not proven

 

I think the troops have always our support, can the troops support our ideas about peace? Can the troops stop being so manipulated by the Bush administration? Where is Osama? Osama has no oil control like Sadam had, however Osama was the only one whoe attack the United States, what's up troops?

 

Well, I saw that picture you had put on up the end of your writings and I thought it looked vaguely wiccan along with the staff. Anyways, I was just curious about it

No, Pinky I don't think they can. The troops don't have "free will". Once they sign their lives away that's it they become government property. They have to do what they are told or wind up in the brig or possibly even dead. It's considered to be treason if a person decides to take a stand during war time which is punishable by death. Yes, they military still does the whole lining you up in front of the firing squad business. If we had some good leaders in office then they would undoubtedly be able to do things differently, but since we don't well I guess the men and women in the armed forces are being used for other agendas.

 

You have so much to say when its YOUR opinions, but this is just barely an answer at all. Please, Please, Pretty please, answer the questions I posed, and put some thought into it. As if it were REAL.

 

I just dont get why ANYONE would have so little self respect as to join an organization so barbaric. The whole thing seems to be about keeping them poor and ignorant so that there are plenty of recruits/cannon fodder. Maybe a little genocide going on here, having to do with the poor. I dont see too many rich kids going to war. Around these parts, joining the military is one of the only options given to "improve" your life! I do everything I can to educate young people about the military trap. I even go in the post office and take all the hype laid out on the tables about the Army and selective service and "deface" them. "Be all that you can be, be a baby killer", "Truth, justice and the American way, learn to be a legalized murderer today...."

About the picture: We have musical gatherings here on the farm, and I get onstage and preach peace. I write songs about politics too. Anti war, anti big brother, ya get the picture. Anyhow, the picture was for promotional purposes. Earthmother in a band called Prophets Thumb. (guess I'm the Prophet) Anyhoo, thats what thats all about...

 

OMG flmkpr you want to know what my first thought was when I was reading this stuff? I thought OMG I better not read this stuff or I am going to have the FBI on my doorstep. How sad is that?

 

earthmother thats the best answer i can give here without insulting to many people.

this is the real world not a makebelive one its hard to know exactly what you would do if somethign that horrible really did happen.

but i think the average middle of the road people would just end up swinging one direction or another and not much else. where the more concerned people that take a stance on their beliefs like you (anti) and i (pro) would go further in our own directuions untill we met comming back around the circle.

i know the goverment does not tell the whole truth all the time and i know that sometimes they lie about things. and i can see why they do, with the countries population at so many ends of the same rope they will never please all of us all of the time no matter what party is in power.
but if they arranged for the twin towers to go down i could not support the goverment then i jsut could not.
but if they knew it was going to happen but not when that is not allowing it. as i said before the authourtities are reactive not proactive to many civil rights to be lost for arresting an american becuase they might do something. not to say that dont already happen but when it does its wrong.

personally i think the goverment has in the past let americans get killed to further their own goals like pearl harbor attack. but maybe thinking back on it it was needed. just as now people were anti war saying its over in europe let them deal with it its not our problem. but after the jap attack people changed their minds and fought to win the war. the allies won and the cold war started with relitive peace untill korea and the advance of communisim.

i dont belive such a thing has happened this time though i mean if they wanted to totally lie to us they would have planted some WMDs in a bunker someplace and showed them to the world saying see we told you. but they didnt even though it made them look bad.
i do belive that the goverment had that last plane shoot down rather than letting it hit its target. but if they told the people that many would have a fit. sure it would be a terrible thing to do but it was needed if they did do it.
just lotts of things in this war that look so bad twards this goverment i wonder how people think they are lieing about it all. and if they could not stop a leak like the abugrey prison photos from getting to the public how do you think they could cover up an inside job such as the twin towers?

so again id have to answer the same way to your question. many more people would choose their side as they should and things would probably go on as it is just with more complaining from both sides.

i think people would cry for revolution in greater numbers but of those calling for such action nothing would happen, other than local small scale riots or simulair actions.

and even if it was all true does that make our form of goverment bad or its soliders bad? or just the people leading it?

 

remarks like that is why many just think the anti war people are totally nuts.

i never killed a baby calling me a baby killer is worse than anythign i could even think of calling you. you never served you have no desire to serve you have no respect for yourself or your country how can you even think to question mine or others military service?
i also wonder here how many that are so conserned about babies being killed belive in abortion. i dont belive in abortions either does that make me a bad person too?
and how can you call the military barbaric you aparently have no clue what military service is like. how can you inform others of the lies of the military if you do know of them first hand all you have is beliefs and opinions.

but any person that let you sway their opinion of military service probably didnt belong there anyways and you did them and your country a favor, and stopped both from wasting time and money on such a person.
so keep up the good work!
just keep all of us war mongering brainwashed fools in power with the weapons.
and incase you didnt get it that was sarcasim you narrow minded fool.

 

Knowledge is power.... most of the 'conspiracy' that some can't rebutt have been rebutted by those with knowledge [politicians-thats why i imagine some hate them] Obviously their ARE some issues that get spun by politicians [especialy those in opposition]..
Many i think cocoon themselves in their own personal opinion on it being a 'inside job'.. unwilling to think otherwise.

Sometimes it is just a lack of being able to read/view and know everything about everything.. though persoanly i do try and look into something i say, before i say it...those that have been informed zand still trot out lies or misconceptions.. should be ashamed of themselves..

If you head on over to 'america attacks' you will hardly see anything other than 'conspiracy' with hardly see a mention on what is actually going on in the REAL world... or current events.

Their is no evidence it was a 'inside job'....

Most of what goes on whithin the 'inside job' threads has little to do with reality.. even the chap being put through the courts at the moment.. i imagine people class as a 'patsy'..

Those apposed would like to imagine their is, because the alternative is not to their liking.

I have been on this site for over a year..i reckon i have heard ALL the storys over that time .. and most of the supposed evidence .

When facts become scarce the great 'illuminati' 'patsy' 'Bush having oil connections' 'cannon fodder' 'baby killers' ... 'poor people being 'shipped off' with no idea what they do or why .. ' and when all else fails 'complicity'

Many 'poor' people fought valiantly/honestly in previous wars.. Their WAS a draft but EVERYBODY capable was drafted not just the poor... shoulder to shoulder with those supposedly above them in social status..it is almost offensive to me when i read that kinda crap.. as it harks back to a time when it WAS the poor that were 'used'.. Many of these accusations had merit say 100 years ago.. nowadays its just to elude to something that is simply not true.

Most i imagine within this thread HATE war..thats fair enough.. so do i.

The difference: I appreciate it IS a fact of life and however far removed a portion of the world moves away from it..another will move towards it . Their HAS to be a effective response to those that use force or use force on those that have no effective means of response.. also a overall global 'peace' has to be maintained.
I think i have said earlier ''why do people who HATE all war comment on who did what and why''..and ALWAYS seem to suggest illegal actions / goverment lies etc etc ? [ think i said that to earthmother especialy..]

iF ANYBODY who hates WAR HAS ANY effective alternatives and response [and evidence it works] to those in the world that choose violence.. i'd like to know what it is and read that evidence. ?.

It is a truth people die in war..thats a sad fact.. millions upon millions died in WW2..would anybody suggest that was not a legitimate action or a worthwhile action ?.. Everything i imagine those apposed to war should think about what happens after wars end..what has been achieved and how has it impacted the world.. NOT just trot out the same cliched responses .

Ofcourse everything has a grain of truth within it..so many of the accusations of a 'inside job' have something going for them.. but when you look at the simple truth.. the TRUTH is that it was NOT a 'inside job'.. if that makes any sense ???

''Oh but you would say all that matthew''

Well i would be happy for anybody to prove me wrong.

Gosh i think i might be in trouble...

 

Holy shit you guys Osama was a CIA operative. WTF!!! If this man is a terrorist then how in the fuck did he get on with the CIA? The last reported contact he had with the CIA was in 2003 Y'all heard me? Two years after 9-11 the CIA met with him while he was in Dubai. Why did they not bring him in? Especially since he is "the world's most wanted man" (YEA RITE!)

I am not quite ready to admit that the government did this. Maybe because I am in denial or maybe because there isn't enough answers yet. I agree after listening to the missle experts, bomb experts, areoplane experts, etc. I agree the towers did implode. I agree those planes were not hi-jacked. I agree it was a missle that hit the pentagon. I agree that the planes were switched. After reading and listening to numerous experts who have Ph.D's and so forth something else happened on 9-11. They were running training exercises the morning of 9-11 to test NY's response system. They lost the four planes for 30+ minutes. After carefully reviewing the footage those planes had "pods" on the bottom of them. A fucking misle hit the pentagon. Somebody please tell me how you explain a 16 foot hole in the side of the pentagon verses the 127 foot wing span of an aircraft? The government flat out said it was the plane that hit it well why in the hell was the hole only 16 feet wide and circular in shape? I agree something besides what the government said happened. That is some bullshit!!! Unless the government really was responsible for this then why lie about it? We are already waging war on god damn Iraq and Afganistan. What would be the point to keep lying about it now? Unless they really are responsible there is no point to lie!

 

That picture is creepy as fuck.

 

It is creepy..