Support the troops?

and you will never understand the truth unless you look beoynd that witch you perceive to be the "truth"

 

But the problem is, EVERYONE perceives what they believe to be the truth! The real truth is that the truth is unknown. Therefore, we cannot know which side is right. Each individual can only listen to their hearts. And every fiber of my being tells me that the opposing arguments in this case are wrong. I'm sure thats how all of you feel about your beliefs as well.

 

Oh Justwow, don't be such a softie. That's the whole point of debating politcs. Well, not the name calling part, but the rest of it.

I know you guys I said I was going to bed, but dammit I just can't sleep! I guess maybe I will watch some psychic detectives. Can't find anything else on Oh well if I'm not on tomarrow you guys will know it's because I am sleeping. Good night all. I really am leaving this time =))

 

But is that not true, for heavens sake?

 

no it is not TRUTH is just that anything else is OPINION

 

Ok I am more interested in what you guys are debating. I read the link you put in flmkpr. I have to say I read the smoking gun all the time. I say that because it's one of their big links from the link you put up.

Anyways, since there seems to be some debate about what truth is I decided to help y'all out.
truth: the state of being true, a true statement, the facts, telling the truth not lying. That's all Webster listed. So basically truth= facts. Can we come to agreement on that?
Ok so the next thing would to be to take the news from somebody who puts out straight facts i.e. smoking gun. Yes, Justwow they are pretty straight foward about everything. The don't slant things one way or the other. Maybe instead of arguing about what truth is you should read their news then you'll know only the facts and you can decide from there how you feel about it, but you will have a leg to stand on when you get ready to argue with however from this forum. Just trying to help you out since everybody likes to gang up on you.

 

People like to gang up on me because my words threaten 'their' perception of what they think is the truth. They act all high and mighty when in fact they're scared because they know they might very well be wrong!

 

Naw, I don't think it's that. I think it's cause you are a bit cocky for a kid.

 

Thanks to Heavy Hearted, I think about the info. I really wanted to know what good was going on their. I am glad there is good. I feel that Iraqis will never be able to rebuild their economy to its full potential when American contract workers (who make 3x's what an Army person makes doing the same job) are getting jobs that should be going to Iraqis. At the very least, Iraqis should be trained doing what these contract workers are doing.

Plus, American companies are making billions off contracts. Why can't that money be put back into the country? Is this happening?

peace and love

 

hey justwow, dont run off stay with us . they tend to gang up on me at times also. but to me that is what makes it fun. if my words can get a rise out liberal like it seems to then i have done my job LOL.


so keep up the good work cause seems your words get them agravated also hehehe.

 

Once again, why does anyone who disagrees with the war labeled a liberal? Someone, please explain this to me!!!

peace and love

 

i dont want anyone to think i was ganging up on anyone! im not! i dont claim to know the "truth" although i would like to. in my last post i was only pointing out that truth is not created by thoughts or feelings it either is or it isnt. i do support the troops. but in my opinion the best way to do that is to change our current forien policy! i think we have been lied to! no i know! we have been lied to. through addmissoin of thos that have lied! i dont beleive it would be wise for a compleat pull out of iraq at this time. although i do beleive that what gringo and just wow espouse is very narrowminded and dangerous thought! do we kill all muslims before they kill us? or do we try and change their thought throu dialog? did the current regime in the whitehous have any intentions of pulling out of iraq at all? what did saddam have to do whith 911? are we in danger of becoming that witch we are supposedly fighting against?

 

See Hippie that's something I have never understood. All these people and companies have this insane amount of money. They have more than Bush could ever make the deficit go up to. I just don't understand why the government doesn't take a lot of their money. Why not tax the hell out of them? Why not write some kind of rich person laws that says if you make over this much (x amount of dollars) then like 50 or 75% is coming to us. I know that would never happen, but my gosh my family doesn't make a lot 20,000 a year and we get taxed at 30%. I really do wonder what do the rich get taxed at? I bet they aren't paying 30 or more percent.

My point I was trying to get at was this; If they were to take or instance Haliburton and hold them responsible for more taxes of all the money they bring in then they could turn around and use that money to help out the Iraqis od what about the victims of Katrina.

I have to ask where were all these rich people when Katrina hit? If they would have collectively pulled together they could have raised enough to rebuild New Orleans without the help of the government. It's been 7 months and most of the gulf is still not rebuilt.

I know that wasn't on the subject, sorry about that. Anyways, When I say rich people I refer to the Bill Gates of America or how about Exxon? Why not give them a penality from hell when they accidentally have an oil spill? If they government had smart people in office we would A) be able to help out the Iraqis FASTER, B) probably have the deficit payed off or at least down. I wonder what would happen to America if all of a sudden our entire deficit was gone.

 

I think it's because in mainstream media I think most of the people oppsing it are democrats. Don't take me wrong there are some reps. opposing it too, but I just think it's more democrats.

However, I know I was always brought to think that democrats were bad. They raised taxes, approved of abortions, thought liberal sex was fine etc etc. I, on the other hand, think that some of each are bad and you just have to mesh your way through it to come to a place that seems right for you. I honestly wouldn't call myself a democrat or republican. I personally don't like to wear labels.

I really don't think opposing the war causes you to be liberal. I think almost everybody in America agrees with the excepttion of justwow agrees it was wrong. But then we come to the question of well we are in a bit of a pickle. We can't really withdraw the troops because if we do a lot more Iraqis are going to die. We can't seem to come up with a viable solution to a big nasty mess. We need to hire the best war tactics people and economic people to come up with a good stragety then the ecomomics people can figure out how to get their economy going so they will stabilize.

 

I agree the American people have been lied to. You know this was something I was recently thinking about. All through America's history the government has lied to us whether is was about flying baloons instead of just saying it was an UFO, to who killed kenedy, to I didn't have sex with her, to Saddam has WMD. I mean it goes on and on.

Not all muslims are bad. Only some of them the ones who take the Quoran literally. Those are the ones that are willing to kill anybody who doesn't believe like they do. Unfortunately, it is true. How to you debate and compromise with a person who has prepared themselves to drive a bomb into a mosque? How do you compromise with people who cut other people's heads off sometimes with a sword sometimes with a rather small knife? Can you imagine what pain Nick Berg must have went through? There was nothing humane about how the did that to him. Isn't the whole reason we call them "terrorist" is because they have extreme radical views? The end justifies the means with them. If it didn't they wouldn't be on Jihad. Jihad is having a holy war. So they are waging a war on all who aren't like them in the name of Allah. How rational can they really be? I mean in all honesty? As I said before, I know one thing, I don't want people like that here.

 

Probably because it is the rich who are really running things, and the government works for them.

 

Three tiny questions for gringo, justwow, wacky, or anyone else on that end of the spectrum. Theyve been asked before, but I dont recall any of them responding.

Forget ALL the propaganda on BOTH sides of the coin for a minute. Lets play make believe...

Now, IMAGINE that it is PROVED beyond all doubt that 911 was an inside job, pulled off at the request of some high ranking individuals in our own government. Imagine its all over the mainstream news! The details of who paid who off, who was flying the planes or how they were convinced to do this, dont matter, because the end result is that thousands of innocent people were killed (Americans & Iraqis), a war was started based entirely on lies, the entire nation was hoodwinked, and the Iraqi nation and culture damaged beyond repair...

Now the questions:

What do you suppose SHOULD happen and what do you suppose WOULD happen if this WERE actually the case? How would it make you feel? What would it take for you to be convinced?

 

i think this country would come apart at the seams, if more people knew (not thought) that our gov't does in fact murder its own citizens; if that isn't a precursor to revolution, I don't know what is.

but, gov't agencies have media by the balls, so you'll never see what really happens.

so many people are just in absolute denial; they figure our government's job is to protect us (and indeed, it is), but they'd never consider for a minute that alternate agendas are at work, so they put stupid ribbons on their cars, and wave flags, oblivious to the other side of the double-edged sword.

I guess ignorance really is bliss.

 

"Somebody's paying the corporations that destroyed Iraq and the corporations that are rebuilding it. They're getting paid by the American taxpayer in both cases. So we pay them to destroy the country, and then we pay them to rebuild it." Noam Chomsky


"There are no conservatives in the United States. The United States does not have a conservative tradition. The people who call themselves conservatives, like the Heritage Foundation or Gingrich, are believers in -- are radical statists. They believe in a powerful state, but a welfare state for the rich." Noam Chomsky

 

Well, Yeah the country would come apart. So I have to ask this what evidence is there that 9-11 was an inside job? I seriously want to know because before I came to this forum I hadn't heard anything of 9-11 being inside. So please enlighten me Thank you