Support the troops?

but the biggest what if posibilitity is this.

what if the US pulled out of the middle east or anyother overseas location they are at tomorrow?

would the world be better off?

would it save lives?

or would the forces against us and our allies overun the protected areas?

 

hey, we're in a pickle.

I agree, it's not as easy as that, just pulling our troops out...but we can thank Bush for it; just rushing in head-first, without contemplating the possible repercussions.

 

we supportd him in the 80s becuase of the old saying. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. i dont hold that true i think my enemy is my enemy but anyways back to the point

when J.C was in office we had the iran hostage problem. iran was a threat and still is. so sadam wanted to fight them and we supported him. maybe not right but thats it in simple terms.

just as we supported taliban such as bin laden during the afgan invasion that russia started.

we might not like the afgans much but we disliked russia more.

again im not saying that was right but that was why.

 

Are you suggesting that Somalia was not in chaos before you got there? The US was ordered to stand down because they were not being engaged, meanwhile warlords were seizing humanitarian aid and slaughtering thousands of men, women, and children. Don't blame your country for Somalia, if you want to blame anyone, blame the UN.

If they indeed attacked the US, the reasons for doing so would be more on the part of al Qaeda. Iraq would have played a financial and mostly logistical role in the operation. Why you ask? If the neighborhood bully mopped the floor with you and disgraced you in front of the entire town, and the crazy motherfucker next door offered to kick his ass in exchange for a ride to the bully's house and some money for lunch, wouldn't you take him up on it? In simplest form.

Many people have asked me why I believe the "official" story. An accurate answer would be that it is not that believe without question the "official" story, it is just that I am aware of the holes in security in global borders and airlines, and the fact that many are faced with a threat from a very strong willed, determined enemy. Any enemy that was fully capable of completing an operation such as 9/11. What I think about the FAA doing this, NORAD doing that, NEADS was telling the air traffic controllers one thing, why jets weren't scrambled, why two towers struck by jumbo jets collapsed, a small hole in the Pentagon, etc.... There are entirely too many variables in 9/11 for me to comprehend to believe that they have the entire story right. I do believe they gave the best possible explanation they could, but what settles my mind is that I know the "The Boogeymen" (as described by Lickherish) exist.

That is one of the aspects that your Patriot Act is designed to assist. Inter-organiztion cooperation and information sharing. Believe it or not, in many circumstance before the Patriot Act, the FBI and CIA were not allowed to share information. ie, Zacarias Moussaoui.

 

the irony: lately, our gov't wanted to talk with Iran, regarding what to do with Iraq.

this sends lots of mixed messages. obviously, we all want to coexist peacefully, but the damage has been done already.

 

Perhaps your above post (Gringo) might have a little something to do with the way things are now? Is that a possibility? I believe that is part of the reason the Middle East feels the way they do about America.

Peace and love

 

that i do agree with also so we are in a pickle now we agreed again.

but even though he rushed in and didnt think it all out completley dont make it any less right or wrong its happend already. and now that we are there we must stay commited or it will never end. and we will jsut end up invading again in 10 years after the next leader builds up a huge army from money gained off us american own greed and over consumption of oil.

but again right or wrong thats what we are. and unless we give into the demand of the extremist they will attack again.

maybe next time it will be the mall of america,sea world, disney land/world, larry flints mansion your local mini mart who knows.

 

Extremists are more likely to attack now, especially since the occupation of Iraq has given them a new cause to fight for.

Did the treaty of Versaille stop Germany from invading other countries after WWI? No, it was one of the causes of WWII.


Peace and love

 

part of the way thign are now is that we support isreal and they (the bad guys) want them removed off the map.

im sure we tried to talk iran into restarting its war against iraq before we went in but its current leadership is so anti jew they would have no part of it. they (iran) is hell bent on wiping the jews off the earth. sounds a bit like hitler and i dont hear many except skin heads complaining about that war.

 

honestly, I wouldn't doubt it.

there are so many variables and unanswered questions from our gov't, too many for me to actually believe wholeheartedly in one perspective...but I am inclined to at least think that the fundamentalists are tired of americans pushing american culture into their "holy land"; they're sick of seeing McDonalds popping up all over the place, and their children listening to rap music. I think this is one of the reasons why they hate us, among other things.

 

more likey to attack? how do you figure that? they already did attack.

you talk like it never happened but the people are dead the bildings gone. familes morning.

the extremists did and will continue to attack untill they are gone or we give into their damands. i know im sounding liek a broken record here but people keep making the same statments without going back and reading whats already been said.

 

While the links and evidence from the Al Shifa plant is controversial, it is nonetheless interesting.

An old link.
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082698attack-sudan.html

 

and they are sick of our women voting
gay marriage
casual sex
any religion other than theirs
any law that is not derived from their bible.
and so on.

 

Isreal was created in the 1950's after WWII and the Holocaust. Palastinians were kicked out of their homes to make the new "home of the Jews." I feel people should look at the issue from the perspectives of the Palastinians.

Perhaps if Native Americans kicked your families out, claiming it was their ancestorial land, and occupied your neighborhood with force, you might feel strongly against the occupation and those people who support them.

Why don't we as people look at the issues from both perspectives, rather than label one group "good" and the opposing group "evil." This world is not black and white; in fact, that perspective in the extreme is called borderline personality disorder.

peace and love

 

so you think they want to come over here and impress those values upon us?

this is what I have a hard time believing, though I believe those are some of the things that they scorn...I just don't think they'll come over here and try to enforce those ways of thinking upon us

 

Yes, you are sounding like a broken record. Many, many other countries are used to terrorists attacks. This isn't new. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. It happened. There have been American terrorists, think Timothy McVeigh. So what? You act like 9-11 was the first terrorist attack EVER. It is not. We are creating more terrorists by the occupation of Iraq and making the world less safe.

 

maybe we should all sit back and ask ourselves why we feel the way we do. then when we come up with that ask again why. and again to get to the root of our beliefs.


then ask your self how you would like to proceed with the country. and then when you have that answer ask yourself how again, and again and again.

its not all as simple as people like to think but then again its not as complacated as many want you to belive.

my self is ask why are we fighting? beacuse they attacked us. why did they attack? because they donty like us. why dont they like us? because we like to live life under our own rule with many differnt beliefs not just gods law. why do i belive that? becuase to me it seems right for people to be free. why should people be free to choose? cause they are all different and have different needs and wants.

i could go on and on but its not gonna change the fact they want us dead.

now i ask myself what would i change about the country? nothing. why? beacuse the way it is now policies change some times good sometimes bad but its the best form of goverment todate where people stay free.

dont agree ok thats fine your allowed to disagree but it would be nice to point out an alternative that works.

 

ofcourse it wasnt the first attack but now just as in the past we need to deal with the threat.

 

I would somewhat disagree by saying that the extremist tendencies were already there. I would say the biggest threat is that the war is creating battle hardened extremists. Many of the terrorists in Iraq have had little if any combat experience. They are learning tactics and making connections from the many global networks that are fighting in Iraq. A parallel can be drawn to the Afghan/Soviet war. Many of the fighters in Afghanistan had no previous experience. After the war was over, many experienced, blood thirsty fighters flooded the world. Many of these would go on to become a part of the planning and execution of 9/11. The same will happen after the Iraq war.

 

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

just give it a good read and dont skip parts. great insight into the true intentions of the extremist muslim.

basically unless we change who and what we are to conform to their precieved idea of good is we are lower than them and not even worthy of being alive. only slightly set above those who turn away from islam and convert to another religion.