Support the troops?

wise words man "lets hope one day the dream becomes reality.

 

what gets me man all those suitfuckers who start wars behind a desk in a goverment office i mean tell me the last time we saw georgey fucken bogbush or tony fucken squareblair or any other fucken world leader standing on the front line (man no need to think about that one ) . fuck dictatorships " respect each others culture" and enjoy life . ........................stick that in yer pipe and smoke it .

 

?what on earth are you talking about ?


I wonder if the images that i originaly posted change automaticaly ? or some body within the forum has altered them ?.. anyhoo the link is there to see them

I can doubly assure you..we are two VERY different people..

If that was the main agenda..why blow up poor Iraqi people trying to get on with life..
Where do you think their money comes from ? off trees ?... No, from the 'capitalist system'.. Stop dreaming dude..

 

I didn't read this whole thread but the original post made me think of a bumber sticker I saw (and loved) the other day:

I Support our Veterans!
I voted for one!

 

Do you feel safer since 9/11? 9/11 was the event that changed the position of the US government. 9/11 put the US on the offensive. They realized they could no longer just bunker down and "defend" themselves. There are holes in security, there always have been, and there always will be. By taking the offensive position you change the initiative of the terrorists. It is much harder for them to plan and conduct operations when they are in the crosshairs. They are constantly under the microscope. Everything aspect of their planning is subject to setting off a warning flag. Communications, money transfers, and international travel. Every time they pop up on the grid, they are at risk of exposing themselves. More of their energy is focused on keeping themselves alive and clandestine than on planning and conducting operations.
During the 90's the US government took a huge step backward in intelligence gathering. It makes more sense politically to cut millions of dollars in HUMINT operations and spend billions on technological operations. (Compare what you would think the difference in political contributions would be between human intelligence agents and multi-billion dollar defense corporations). The US government missed out on inconceivable amounts of intelligence by not having agents on the ground in various global hotspots. Satellites are good at one thing. Taking pictures. But they cannot provide the quality intelligence that field agents and assets can provide.

You are absolutely right. The US should have never been put in the position to have to address the Iraq problem with a military solution. Had the UN and world community stepped up to the plate and demand compliance and accountability, Saddam would have ruled Iraq with limited authority. The negligence of the UN assisted in making Iraq an easy target, and by solving the problem militarily it allowed the US to satisfy three objectives with a cherry on top. 1. The long needed regime change 2. Show of force and display of zero-tolerance policy 3. Establishing the first democracy in the middle east

That sure sounds great in theory, but in reality and in the simplest terms possible..... There are bad bad people out there that will kill anybody to further their objective. Yes, even humanitarian aid workers. Just look at the disappearance, kidnapping, torture, and murder of aid workers in Iraq. We must not forget the kind of people we are dealing with. These people do not respect human life in the least. Did you know that in 2005 there were more than 1100 human rights workers and defenders in 90 countries that were targeted. Many of these workers were jailed, tortured, and murdered.

 

To be fair the UN were pussy footing around the whole subject weren't they. It was like Saddam please let our inspectors in and Saddam would go "nah, your alright" and the UN would say "Oh go on please". So the US and UK said "you won't let us in we're coming in anyway".

Having disposed of Saddam (by the way everyone agrees that the world is better without him don't they?) the next step is to plan our withdrawal.

The UK have done this a million times before having once had an empire and I think we get a fair amount of respect from the countries we once occupied but no longer control.

We should plan to leave as soon as possible but at the same time leaving the country in a state where it stands a chance.

I think the US should leave almost immediately because they are seen as aggressors where I think the UK are perceived as secondary to the whole thing like other nations within Iraq such as Canada and Australia.

 

It takes a certain type of person to WANT to be in charge and control others.
Yes, there are some very bad people out there, and they tend to be the ones who are power hungry for control over the masses. The highest ups in government and behind the scenes of government are the ones controlling everything. Evil is in full force. The gullible are their army, but the gullible are expendible towards the goal of world domination. It has been PROVEN that the US government at the very least knew there was going to be an attack before it happened. But, the US government is only a small part of the picture. The true government is a group of very wealthy and powerful people from many different places, all working together to create a one world government, and all the rest is just a farce to make people THINK they have government representation. The agenda is very clear, and these powerful people do not care who they have to run over or kill to gain their ultimate goal. We are all pawns in their game, and are treated as such. Those who cannot or will not see this for what it is need to be educated.

Why do we, as thinking adults, need to be governed anyways? Dont you think there is enough intelligence in this world that things could be run without all the interfereance from wars and nanny laws and taxes? Does nobody feel they have enough common sense and wisdom to figure out how to live without being told how? We (earth citizens) have been programmed to believe that we need someone to tell us what to do and control our lives and the world around us, as if we were incapable. An example of this is when Katrina hit, and so many just hung around waiting for help of some kind from the government instead of instantly reacting to the immediate situation and helping themselves and each other. It is as if the general population are helpless unless big brother is there to hold their hands and protect them from the big bad boogie man. Well, I have some news. The boogieman is the so called government, and we only have ourselves to protect us. And most people arent doing a very good job of it, because they keep waiting for someone else to do it. Everybody is far too comfortable with all their material posessions and brain rot machines (TV and computer games). Which, of course, is exactly what the power people want. We have been programmed to think that we MUST have all our various luxuries in order to survive, and we must have them at all costs. And I am including cars, electricity, telephones, and running water (indoor plumbing) as luxuries.

Oh my god, what if the economic system as we know it ceased to exist? Are we all too stupid to figure out an alternative? We had better not be, because I am convinced that the PLAN is to have the American economy fall flat, on purpose, so that we will be more willing to accept a one world economy, and thus even more control and beurocracy(sp?) in our already ridiculously controlled lives.

All the arguing and differing opinions mean nothing if we are not looking at the whole picture. Everybody is just picking apart small pieces of a puzzle that is so big as to be nearly invisible. Its all redundant if we dont start looking at the bigger picture. There is not one of us that is privy to what is REALLY going on in so called politics. The behind the scenes stuff, the stuff that REALLY effects us, is hidden behind the curtain. The media, much of it owned by the same organizations and individuals working hand in hand with the government if you follow the paper trails, tells us only what we need to know. The media does an even better job of controlling and mind washing the masses than the government does. Open your eyes. The next time there is a big election coming up, you can tell who will win simply by watching how the media portrays the candidates. There is no point in voting for anyone, as the results are already decided before you go to the polls. You can see this if you look.
No, the government is not the biggest enemy, the people they work for are. And the people who buy into all the "official" stories.

 

mmm posting while drunk : i stopped doing that when i got myself into trouble within 'random thoughts'

I think you were claiming that OBLs main agenda was his dislike for ''capitalist imperialists'' ... I was suggesting it was merely to tap into some sentiment shared by some within the 'west'.. http://www.internationalist.org/defendiraq1002.html
http://struggle.net/saia/feb2.htm

plenty more but you get the idea [well if you are sober that is ].

I think it is JUST age old Jihad..end of story.

 

Why support the troops? they choice to join voluntary

 

I think this is an excellent point you've made. The Vietnam war was a drafted army. Those poor guys - how would you like someone forcing you to go to war? At least we are beyond that. For now, anyway.

 

Maybe ''why those that don't support the war.. why do THEY have to support the troops..'' yeah thats a good question. Dunno if he meant that though ?..

Should those that don't support war have supported the troops back in Vietnam.. rather than spat on them ?..

 

...........whooooooooooooooooosh

 

Jihad is about thwarting unbelievers of Islam .. Christians Pagans Jews etc etc etc ..One interpretation or justification anyway. ..
OBL and his [man in Iraq] IS killing MUSLIMS... whats that all about .. ?.

Also it is supposedly about thwarting hypocrites...mmm OBL / Hypocrite... never !

He CAN interprete any wich way he likes..

 

Okay, there is a common misconception that jihad is aimed at Christians and Jews. This is what modern extremist Muslims have misconstrued the term to mean. Originally, it focused on Pagan religions that did not believe in Abraham. Muhammed viewed Jews and Christians as his brothers. Funny how far this religion has come from its origins?

Muslims were forbidden to put a fellow Muslim into the bonds of slavery, and this included Jews and Christians. They fought their holy wars against Saharan Africans in the precolonial days. The captured Africans had a choice: they could convert to Islam or become slaves. Many converted, which is why Saharan Africa is predominantly Islamic. Just a quick African history lesson.

Peace and love

 

Earthmother presents an interesting theory, one which I fully agree with (and it's good to know I'm not alone). We now have a global economy in which corporations can operate world-wide to take advantage of goods and services wherever they want in order to be competitive. Sure, they may seem "American", but in reality they're multi-national. Take that one small step further and it's easy to imagine a multi-national government. We think we have the influence to change policy, but in reality we don't, it's hard to imagine that what we have is a democracy any more. No, I agree it's a bunch of wealthy powerful dudes pulling the strings from all over the world, and what we have in America is basically a puppet show for democracy. we can't even be sure our votes are being counted properly.

I've had my suspicions since 911. I don't think our government orchestrated the event, but it wouldn't surprise me if they facilitated it somehow. Kinda interesting that the only planes permitted in the sky immediately after the Trade Center collapse were the ones transporting Bin Laden's family out of the country. Bush's popularity ratings were at an all-time low, time to start a war! Get the people pissed off at Bin Laden, then pull the old switcheroo (I mean Iraq must be somehow responsible for 911, right?), and average ignorant Joe Public buys right into the shit...

So the few wealthy elite are somehow using the public's fear of terrorism to impose their will of world domination. They become richer and richer while the economy collapses, then they move off to their flats in the Carribean while we're left a third world country. The survivors will be those who can do without the modern day comforts, those who can grow their own food, fish, hunt, etc. I no longer think it's a question of "IF", now it's a question of "WHEN"...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

I noticed that ...

If you think about it.. OBL can kill anybody he wishes.. justifying it with Jihad.

Do YOU think his motivation is 'capitalism / imperialism'.. or just another excuse ?.

 

What a horrible way to think... i shudder to think what 'shit you buy into'

I could apologise for being a tad rude.. but reading your post .. i just can't.


Can you PROVE those flights were the ONLY ones that were permited out of the country..

 

I honestly don't know what his motivation is. He once was an ally of the US during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. After his mujahadeen forced the Soviets out, the US considered the whole thing "Mission Accomplished" and left, leaving Afghanistan in shambles. He might be upset from that.

When Saddam invaded Kuwait, it was Bin Laden who offered his Mujahadeen to turn back Saddam. The UN, mainly Bush I, ignored his request and went on in. That upset Bin Laden even more than the abandonment by the US. Perhaps he feels that the US and western world will never respect the Islamic world. He might have taken it a little too far...

Bin Laden appears to be far from a socialist...

Peace & love

 

For the most part the western world DOES.. or it DID.. till he f**ked it up.

How is HE respecting the islamic world by becomeing a crazy fundementalist.. creating a unhelpful image of his religeon..?

To be honest i just can't figure out his motivation anymore... i doubt he can either ?.

You don't say

 

man you really are a nugget christian and muslim bashing........getta fucken life prick ../..........is that spelt right tosser