OMG my mate was going on about something like this the other night. Hes very curious about what happens after we die but doesnt want to die. He came up with the conclusoin that there is no point to living but then he has a theory that there must be because why would there be an existance? lol messed up I know. Its the type of stuff he thinks about when he hasnt had sleep for 2 days. Wacky!
Excuse me for not RTFT but if you don't think that going through the pleasure and pain of human existance is worth it. Then yea, there is no point to it... But who's to say that the afterlife is anything more? If there is an afterlife? /my 2cents //Watch flatliners - good movie
RTFT= read the fucking thread Who says that somthing cannot be without a reason? Theres no rule book for exsistance.
As are yours, there is no definate proof of afterlife. So of course everything is going to be opinions.
Does your psyche just rott away with your body? Well, I'd say yes because we know that the only reason you have a psyche is because your grey, spongy thing you call a brain is still firing neurotransmission chemicals across a synapse, it's still sending signals through your central and parasymp. nervous systems and it's still alive, whereas a brain-dead human being, or someone very close to this cannot have thoughts of such nature as you've put out. Simply put, a 'psyche' is merely an intangible idea that only exists while your brain is still alive. Yes, death is inevitable, but rushing it is a bad idea. You have so much time here to experience beautiful things like a great blow job or sex(excuse the crassness, but hey!), a great gig, a great high, beautiful music with which you can surround yourself, great people with whom you can surround yourself, you know, whatever you're into, live for that. If you're not into much, get out and find what you're into and then throw yourself into it. More than likely when you die, you don't "find" anything, but that'll be subject to debate until you're gone, and it's no reason to kill yourself. The idea of reincarnation exists so that you can finally reach nirvana in one of your lives, so you did gain something, if you're Buddhist and you did it correctly. And, obviously in Christianity you gain something by being a good, non-sinning individual so you can be brought into the eternal kingdom of God. I suppose a few sins are okay, just don't go killing those damned fetuses! If you're an Atheist like me, you gain something simply by being alive. Everyday you gain another chance to make great, long-lasting relationships with males or females, to eat a great steak, to watch a great hockey game, to catch some great surf if that's your thing, to see a good movie or buy a good movie, to make a movie, if that's your thing, I mean, there are literally trillions and trillions of opportunities open to you every morning and it's up to you whether you'll take advantage of those opportunities, or if you'll let them pass. It's also up to you whether you'll judge those relationships and experiences to be trite, to be fleeting or to judge them to be meaningful, to make them constant, to appease yourself with them. And some of those relationships and experiences will be fleeting for one reason or another, but that's no reason to be depressed, it's a reason to keep an open mind and an open heart and be ready for what is to come next. Life isn't a destination, but a journey, that's the best thing to remember. If you become an absolutist, if you begin to expect all things to last forever and begin to think that things that don't last forever were meaningless, then you'll end up making life a destination and you'll become depressed. "The only way to enlightenment (nirvana) and true inner-tranquility is to live for the present". Siddhartha had a point, guy! Everyone goes through an existential period at one point. "What's the point? I'm just going to die." You get over that, usually. I used to be a really existential (although I didn't know how to classify it at the time), really depressed human being. I was like "Morbid Angel rules! God sucks! You suck! Your girfriend sucks! Your face sucks! What's the point in making friends with you, you'll all just be gone sooner or later!" Like I said, though, don't fall into that absolutism. If you expect all things to last forever, you'll be really depressed because you'll feel a lack of control, and a lack of control spawns anger and a sense of hopelessness. My entire point wraps up that way. No matter what your religion you have to live for the day and live for the little things. Your brain is at max 1,500 C.C.s, which is not powerful enough to even begin to answer the question of why we're here or what happens when we die. The only thing you know for sure is today, so live for this day. You could die tomorrow, and I don't know about you, but I'd like to know that I sucked up as much of today as I could. That's the point of life as far as you'll comprehend it. I firmly believe that this all spawned from nothingness billions of years ago, and we just happened to grow to such a state of comprehension, to be able to feel happiness, to question, to become bored and to be able to build things for ourselves. You probably live and simply fade away nearly as soon as you've come. We're all merely ameobas floating around until our day comes when we're no longer existent. That might sound depressing, but it's really just a bigger reason to be happy while you've still got the comprehension and ability to do so. Get out and live it up because it only comes once (atleast in Atheism). Phew! I need to rest my hands after all that!
Some believe that when you die you are reborn with the problems and habbits of yoru past life(s). You are to learn from your life and move foreword with the goal of reaching the "god" state where you are one with everything...then and only then will you not rebirth
lol, yeah, I always asked my Dad (the Buddhist) what the point of reaching nirvana was. It's like asking Christians "what the point in us being tested for heaven? Why aren't we all just started off in heaven?". I don't remember his very strange and hard to follow answer, simply because he's a college professor and totally goes over my head every time he talks. lol Then again, he could have just said something that made no sense. I feel bad because I give this guy all this advice on living life, and being a great person, and then I totally rip on him in another post. lol Hopefully I didn't make him sad or anything. What can I say, sometimes I'm an uberdick.
my personal opinion is that when we die thats it. the atoms that make up our body just become dust and return to the earth. i dont believe in any religion, and im perfectly happy living and knowing that this is it and that i dont really know why im here, but im pretty sure its not to worship some tandom random divine being dude. and if it is and i turned out to be wrong? oh well, i dont really like most of what i hear about him anyway so i dont think id want to worship him. to me, anything is preferable than death, why kill youself? whats the point? people forget that they can do anything they want, you dont have to do what your supposed to, you can run off to the jungle and run around naked. whatever makes you feel good. the question i often ask myself is, why do i have to partake in the plan of society ie go to school, get a job, have a family etc etc. why can't we all just run around carefree and not have to worry about anything that doesnt really matter anyway, like exams. heh. but then i guess you need some sort of societal structure otherwise itd be chaos.
I just believe that my mind is not attached to my bones and flesh...bones and flesh die and return to the earth..
haha, yeah, you know what I always wondered? If you're going to kill yourself, or are considering it,... why wouldn't you just like move to Hawaii or Australia and trip balls and smoke up and surf and do very stupid, very dangerous things and see what happens? It's not like you've got anything to lose. Apple, well science disagrees with the fact that your mind is seperate, basically science just defines your 'mind' as an intangible idea that is literally dependent on the life of your brain. But, science only knows what can be found in the bounds of reality, so you never know.
There was as study doen I forget where and don't quote me I just remember hearing or reading about it...about if the soul exsists..as a man was dying he was weighed and after he was dead he lost a pound of intangable weight...some say it was his soul leaving his body
21 grams man there was even a film about that, but that was fuck whats the word.. contradicted? by all the scientists around the globe they rock
hahaha actually they say when you die all of the fluids and such in your body kind of swell up and im sure lots of nasty shit leaks out of you, also the moisture would evaporate from you which which weight quite a bit.
astral projection is what u wanna try mate. i used to always try n have ideas about what its all about, then depressive way of thinking got me round to thinking its all bollocks, its unfair and shit and out of order then we die and thats it, were worm food. so whats the point of living thru it. i didnt wanna think liek that but then i had a out of body experiance and it totally opened me up again. it even made think about creation. and thats summin i really didnt think about before ya know. i still dunno what i think about a creator. maybe not. but astral projection is summin real. and im 99% sure there is more after this. to fly around your room and see yourself laying asleep on the couch is certainly a eye opener. this is the best site i know of and they do free online astral travel courses http://www.astralweb.org/ yeah i know it might sound a bit far fetched. and non of u know me, but if u do trust me then take my word, it is real. im not a overly spiritual person either. just someone that wants answers same as u
but wouldn't chaos be just as ok as anything else? I think we're kind of chaotic and insane already. the thing is, you can just run around carefree and not have to worry about anything that doesn't really matter. you do have that choice!
You drop out nearly all of your fluids, excluding blood, the minute of death. Not just some people, everyone. Now, our society is a bit hesitant to tell you that grandma shit and pissed and dropped excretion all over herself just after death, but it's the way it is. This is where this 1 pound went, surely. Tamee, yes, you can run free and not worry about 'exams' and such (which by that I'm sure Sooty means moralist cares on a whole), but in such a capitalist society (as is Australia), you really have to be able to dissassociate yourself with the ideals first, and that's very difficult when they've been embedded in you for so long. It's hard to give up T.V., and a safe place to live, heat in the winter, cool in the summer. "Running free" has it's price. I don't know exactly what you mean by running free, but if you mean simply never working for a moralist, more than likely you're going to be homeless, living in a hippie commune or living in a van you paid for with cash. People don't let you stay in thier apartments or buy thier houses with corn you grew, ya know? It's a lot harder to truely "run free" in today's world than it was for Siddhartha, which is precisely why it would be so difficult to reach nirvana in a Western society. You'd really have to let go of all of the moralists' agendas, and with that let go of any and all ties to material posessions and a home for yourself. Most people aren't willing to give up T.V. and D.V.Ds and a washing machine, they don't really want to be a vagrant transient.
