ya have to admit, shooting oneself may be dramatic, but it's far from the best method to commit suicide just out of pragmatism....
it is not a matter of how you choose to do it...it is not something that most people plan out. the matter of it is that he was depressed enough to even try.
.....that'd be like the people who said that george bush was a bad president shortly after 9\11 were unpatriotic.... a terrible thing happened, but it could have been stopped or happened in a less tragic way, dinging people for being pragmatic about it just because it's an open lysing sore is just as bad as fervent bubble patriotism, just on a smaller scale
yes it is, you're hoping someone will walk in and take the gun out of your hand, unload it, hold your crying mass and tell you everything is okay..... the planning is part of the pathology of the thing
He didn't wait for anyone. He grabbed a gun and tried to swallow a bullet... How is that a cry for help?
That's a rather far-fetched analogy. You can either be a complete asshole, or support the person. I do not recall Nathan asking us for our personal opinions about suicide, he just commented that his friend attempted it. If it was Nathan crying out for help, then I would understand all the comments, and people saying how pointless suicide is. Yet, making those comments after a close friend of his attempted it, and during such a critical and hard time for Nathan himself... is plain heartless. I lost every single bit of respect I had left for Ed.
as if i care. don't you think i've had friends die? i never went around begging for sympathy, and if i didn't get it, i sure as hell didn't lash out at people. get over it.
it's not far fetched at all, if a person dies in high school what suddenly happens? everybody suddenly starts talking about how wonderful they were, how good they were, how honest, etc. it's the same thing, nathan is being irrationally overemotional because something shocking happened to him six months ago if say dsk had posted a picture of someone who had blown their jaw off I do not doubt nathan would have said something asinine or laughed now because "the quarterback died" or "the planes hit the towers" everything even remotly humerous or pragmatic that is said is "unpatriotic" or "evil, rude, sinister" etc. come on, you know that this is being taken way the hell out of hand my god, maybe people should repress their emotions....
Ofcourse he is being over-emotional, a friend of his just attempted suicide, try to get this through your thick skull! People are always overemotional after such an event... which is why you do not go arounf telling them how thier friend was just looking for pity and deserved it and such. You people amaze me.
exscuse me, but I just happen to believe in objectivity, one has the capacity to maintain ones objectivity and losing it is irrational irrationality is stupid, and following someone into their irrationality is even moreso you didn't have anything emotional happen to you but you are lashing out how is that rational?
1. This guy was not liked by almost anyone at my school. 2. He was a great friend of mine. 3. I'm not being overly-emotional because this happened...I am because Ed was being so heartless.
now that's just not true if ed had said it about someone else (again hypothetical 6 months ago) you wouldn't have gone off...... perhaps ed was the trigger, but the failed attempt was the cause.....
also..... I wish to know how many people who read the maddox page ("best page in the universe") are being damn supportive.... because one of his main rants is about people who fail attempts at suicide, he calls them failures at failing supporting that and then supporting here seems like a bit of irrational hypocrisy eh?
You really think if Ed had said something like to anyone else I wouldn't have reacted this way? You apparently don't care for anyone else... Because I think that kind of remark is absolutley is uncalled for.
