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I should probably do that. But anyways, I think it's best we call it quits for the sake of people who like reading these boards. I enjoy coming here to talk with friends, not argue with people.

I will give you a little more data about it, to further your knowledge if you would like that still.

Nice chatting anyways, Tom :seeya:

 

I don't give a fuck what word you choose to use...

Show me where it says businesses pay for people to go to school.

Tuition (what this was about from the very start) is NOT a 'training cost'. Tuition is the fee paid to the school to allow a person to attend there...

Show me where it says business, as part of the german system, pay the fees for a person to go to school....

 

This argument had ended yesterday. Everyone else had moved on to polite conversations....

You came back and re-started it and spread it to other threads.

 

I never said they PAID FOR PEOPLE. It's right there, I said they should implement apprentice schemes. You lost this one.

:seeya:

 

Do you mean like bringing back the YTS if so this is a stupid idea and is nothing short of slavery like Tom pointed out!

You are to young in some ways to understand this has already been done in the early 80's/ 90's and it didnt work then and certainly will not work now!

 

I can keep quoting what you said everytime you lie about it.

 

you mean the manpower thing? No, not like that. I think it should be integral to a university honors degree.

Here, we're talking more about labour work. The amount of degrees are incomparable now to how many there were then, and because the skills are more complicated a business wont be able to exploit young workers, because they will need to pay for the right amount of education.

The United Kingdom's biggest trade is information. It's a lot harder to exploit labour in a trade like this. Unless your a call center, of course

 

Do you want evidence companies pay for all German university students tuition fees? Or business provides some with their tuition fees if they pass the business' criteria for it? I've posted some evidence some German business' put money in a large pot for some students, but you, I would imagine, would argue university tuition is one thing and apprenticeships are another. I don't think there is evidence German business works hand in hand with all students and pays for all of their university tuition fees.
Perhaps, IB, mixing in "tuition fees" and apprentiships was wrong.
If you are beating him up for that over several days...that's sad.
Get a life.

I think you can agree the German apprenticeship programme is an integral part of their way of educating their young, and other countries could learn much from it. It would reduce the financial burden placed on students...and have a knock on effect to university tuition fees.
That's my opinion, anyway...so don't hold your breath for evidence.

It seems if a student leaves a company were they have an apprenticeship, the student loses out and the company can claw back some of their expenses.
The company might lose some money but overall the rate of retention is fairly high, so the fall out rate can be factored in to their overall appretishment programme.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=...ts=b65oeAmIXe&sig=aMkzppaVKdytHG01ys08rXudyN8#

 

Primary?Secondary?Play-school?

 

that's what I was saying, without any shadow of doubt. It was a meek suggestion that turned into something ghastly.

 

Business putting money into a pool to help education costs, is not a business sponsoring a student. Thats a tax.

Businesses having apprenticeship programs is not businesses sponsoring a student. That's apprenticeship.

Businesses directly sponsoring a students tuition (which is what started all of this) is a way to end up with people being forced to either work at that business or to pay the money back before they can move, either way, it comes back to slavery.

Beyond all this though, is the other issue that I pointed out, and that is even if someone could prove what TIB said (which nobody has even come close to), it doesn't change the fact that the german system is not 'better' then other systems... it is at best on par with them.

Why would you emulate a system that is no better then then the average one?

You want to find a country where they have high enrollment numbers, high graduation rates AND high numbers of students getting a job afterwards in their field, then THAT is something you want to emulate.

 

No I mean the youth training scheme - £29.50 for working all frigging week while going to college one day a week- in other words a shit apprenticeship.

They only made education available to all as it was big business to get students into debts is is nothing short of a business creaming off the poorer families those in need of more loans.
What is even funnier is some people believe these establishments are for free thinkers when they are nothing short of people farms, making the masses believe they will get a better job if they attend such places-

I do believe in education but not what people are being spoon fed by the system.

 

Things always turn that way when Toms around. I used to be a little like him. I know it can be annoying so I stopped for the most part.

 

I never said they worked hand in hand with students, or they paid all of it. It was just me suggesting tuition fees could be less of a burden if businesses contributed towards them. Not out right paying them, but allowing a more vocational approach with I feel would better suit a student anyways.

I believe in the 'learn by doing' approach.

This is the way the Germans have handled tuition fees, and the cost is a lot cheaper.

 

Only when people try to present bullshit as facts.

Which I will admit, is more often then not.

 

this is different. I never said they should be working and paying them peanuts, and never said a student should be paid at all. Low pay identifies job status.

I am suggesting they allow proper training. Students can come in, and they can have on the job programs that push the knowledge a student learns into practice. It costs a company so much money in HR to educate it's workforce, and I think they should be paying more.

As a student, I believe it would benefit me more to apply myself, rather than just be book smart.

And the YTS didn't work because of sheer exploitation. There perhaps less wrong with the system than how they system was managed.

Management has come a long way in these last twenty years. Human Resource is an ugly phrase, these days.

 

Tuition fees
Most colleges are state-funded. In 2010, five of the 16 states of Germany charged tuition fees at state-funded colleges, while in 11 states tuition was provided free of charge. There are no university-sponsored scholarships in Germany, but a number of private and public institutions award scholarships, usually to cover living costs and books. Moreover, there is a law (BAFöG or Bundesausbildungsförderungsgesetz) which ensures that needy people can get up to 650€ per month for 4–5 years if they or their parents cannot afford all the costs involved with studying. Part (typically half) of this money is an interest-free loan which has to be repaid. Many universities planning to introduce tuition fees have announced their intention to use part of the refunded money to create scholarship programmes, although the exact details are mostly vague.

On that point, I think you are right.
Like I said, I think IB mentioning tuition fees was wrong.
I'm not sure you made your point about that very clear.
I get where you are coming from now.

Like I said: I think you can agree the German apprenticeship programme is an integral part of their way of educating their young, and other countries could learn much from it. It would reduce the financial burden placed on students...and have a knock on effect to university tuition fees.
That's my opinion, anyway...so don't hold your breath for evidence.

 

I suppose if you don't care for the idea, that's fair enough.

 

I was trying to iron out any possible inferences you might have made.
I wanted to make it perfectly clear what Tom was moaning about.

 

I appreciate that, you made a nice point. Though it was less what I said, and more how other people implied it. Tuition would alter if both business and university sides became interconnected, so long as the cost would change then both the cause and effect can be justified

As is the way with the internet though, people nit pick over words and phrases. I think had I said it out loud and not typed it, it wouldn't have been taken out of context.

But all in all everything you have said has made plenty of sense, I enjoy your objectivity odon.