Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

OH really ? Show me. Link me. Explain to me.

 

What knowledge of god does one need to observe nature?

 

First your lack of understanding God or the bible is not evidence for Evolution or the Big bang or the lack of the Father.

Nobody has the knowledge of God. It is our duty to learn about him and his creation.

 

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
II Thessalonians 2:11-12

 

I'm not going to do your homework. It's all summarised pretty well here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

 

I'm confused where you're coming from. Weren't we talking about why god needed to preserve his word? Why has the topic moved to evolution and the lack of a cranky old dad up in the sky?

 

They do spell something of the sort to the religious mind. How would I know the 'religious' mind if not in my own? I'm really not here to boast that I have less of it than most. While levity is not tied down to personality, it would be just as silly to lay claim to it as it would to deny its originating there.

The death of the religious mind is not the death of the mind altogether.

Run with it. What's your flying like?

: D I'm not sure why you'd ever be concerned about the 'gravity' of my words, let alone the consequences for my eternity when we both believe in life and love, and neither of us conceive of inanimation.

I'll have a look. I don't know why you can't post them here though.

I don't believe in Satan. Olderwaterbrother does though! : D

Do you, like he, believe in Hell?

I don't believe in death. This leaves me in limbo between your lot and the lot you purport me to belong to. lol

 

One of the things you might want to look at is that the word yom (Strong's 3117) that is used at Gen,1:5-2:3 for each of the creative days and you say is "only 24 hours" is also used at Gen. 2:4 where it says; "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens", if this day (yom Strong's 3117) is 24 hours, then the Bible is contradictory because it would show that that the Bible says that the 7 24 hour creative days were also collectively only 24 hours long.

Also the Bible indicates that days in God's eyes do not have to be 24 hours:
Psalm 90:4 (KJV)
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Lastly, take a look at;
Hebrews 4:1-13 (KJV)
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

It appears to be talking about the 7th creative day of rest and that there are those that can still enter into it thousands of years later.

Last time I heard, stars are billions of miles away and it it takes time for light to travel here to us, the speed of light being a constant, thus the age of the universe is in billions of years, not thousands. At this time the furthest star that scientists have found is some 15 billion light years away, making the universe at least 15 billion years old.

My pleasure, it's not like I haven't made mistakes also.

PS My latest mistake, that I know of, is using the word excepted instead of the correct word accepted.

 

He is saying that we are creations, and that we are not the creators. I do take it literally in the sense it was meant to be taken.

You also have to remember who Jesus is talking to, 1st Century Hebrews Hellenists, and Romans. NOT modern man. Yes, the Truths contained in Scripture are for all ages, but 6 literal days is not such a truth.

Where did God say in his Creation account that he put water under the land? You are making this up! God only said the Water in above the Firmament and the seas.

Water would boil were it deep enough to create fault lines: you know, those places where magma come out of

Yup. I belong to the Church founded by Christ and carried throug the ages by the succession of the Apostles.

Job 38 to the end of the book.

Also in Job, God lets us know why we get snow and hail (i.e. times of trouble and war and battle). This is a scientific claim. So it must be true!!!

We can still seek God, but his fullness and glory are a mystery (i.e they cannot fully be known)


QUOTE]What chruch do you belong to ? The Bing Bang is false.[/QUOTE]
Catholic. And I felt the need to preserve this awesome non-sequitar.

 

What I mean is, words are symbols of conditions. The phrase you used matches no real condition and therefore does not function as a symbolic substitute for a real thing or condition. What I mean by real is enduring in all instances.

I am not surprised that you agree with the second sentence although it is in direct contradiction to your previous post in which you said, "the truth is being suppressed". I am not surprised because knowledge is being shared.

 

http://seeingclearly.wordpress.com/...account-of-genesis-a-poem-as-rob-bell-claims/

http://www.christianity.co.nz/science7.htm There is some other good stuff here too.

Also, I am a little biased having taken his class on Modern Creationism, but Denis Lamoureux is brilliant. the videos are long, but watch them.

http://vimeo.com/10248536

http://vimeo.com/10191689



Basically, terms of the poetry, God fixes the "formless" and "void" problems by first creating the form of the universe and the fixes the "void" by decorating the universe with lights, animals, and man.

 

Yes, I Do.

Yes, I believe that people die and when they do, they go to Sheol (the grave or hell).

I guess I should ask, what do you call it when people "die" or how do you explain what is called "death"?

 

In death I can't do anything. Anyone who asks me how I know this is probably too scornful towards life for their own good, and should look to anothers. : D What is called death is the loss of the particulars of a certain personality. I once called it a mere means to life in trying to get over its factual nature. I look back fondly on those days. lol

So that's me and death.

What about you and Satan?

 

Thanks for that explanation.
I guess you missed this when I posted this to you in another thread.

Interestingly the Bible says this about the condition of the dead at Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.

Being a Christian, I like to go with what the Bible says and the Bible seems to say that Satan exists. So I go with that.

 

I would like to sincerely apologize to the Christians in this thread. I just read the description of this thread and say that it is for 'Christians only'.

It was disrespectful to even show subtle signs of debate in a forum titled 'Sanctuary'. From now going forward I will post in appropriate threads and forums.

Peace, Love and a most humble apology.

 

OptimisticFutureBlues, no need to apologize.

The purpose of the Sanctuary was to provide a place wherein Christians could discuss issues, or debate without coming under the type of "Barg, Barg, Jesus never existed you are all loonies" types of posts that were very common and aggressive a number of years back. Also there came some rules some Christians found to be difficult to follow in the main Christian forum, mainly no posting Bible verses. the argument for this rule was that if you required the Bible to prove a point, your point wasn't worth making. It was counter argued that because we gather much of our Truth from what is revealed in scripture, that this is a nearly impossible task. Again, it was to target those who would simply fill argumentative posts with countless verse after verse in direct quotation, rather than a simple "cf" reference. Again, this rule is not really enforced unless it gets extreme.

If you can keep it civil, I for one would not mind having other people here. From a evangelistic standpoint, it helps with the Great Commission. Generally you'd be ignored if you go frothy.

 

Miller–Urey experiment ? Let me educate you on this and it's results.

There have been many experiments to try and create life in the lab.

Students are taught many important events occurred during the Archean ear, the most important which was the evolution of life. That progress from a complex molecules to even the simplest living organism was a very long process. They say the first living cells emerged 3.8 to 4 billion years ago. There is no record of the event. But they claim the first replicating systems must have evolved from this ocean organic 'soup'.

In the lab, Miller circulated methane, ammonia and hydrogen (to mimic the conditions that they thought were in the early atmosphere) and water vapor (to simulate the ocean) through some tubes with a lighting spark in there to simulate lighting in the early atmosphere. This is all fictitious but this is what they were thinking.

They teach that Miller made a mixture in amino acids. Talk about propaganda! He did not make LIFE, he did not even come close.

Miller excluded oxygen in a reducing atmosphere because life could not evolve without oxygen present. He knew the presence of oxygen would break down an amino acid. Any amino acids that tried to combine therefore would be oxidized. So they purposely excluded oxygen.

The problem with this is: If you don't have oxygen you do not have ozone, and Ozone blocks UV light...and UV light destroys ammonia and that was one of his gasses!

Life can not evolve without oxygen to protect the ammonia.

The other problem is the Earth has always had oxygen -even more than today. Also oxygen is found in the lowest fossil rocks. He filtered out the product in his experiment also. This not realistic to nature.

What he made was 85% tar, 13% carboxlic acid (both toxic to life) and 2% amino acids. He made a mixture 98% deadly to what he was trying to produce (life) and you call this a success ?

Another problem: 2 amino acids were produced and 20 different ones are needed for life, these bonded quickly to the tar and carboxlic acid that were toxic anyhow.

Amino Acids are letters which are building blocks to make words, to make paragraphs to make huge books. He made the equivalent of a few letters when he needed to make a book.

Half the amino acids he produced were left handed and half right handed: like p!p did

More problems: the smallest proteins have 70-100 amino acids precise order all left handed. DNA and RNA nucleotides are all right handed. Hundreds of amino acids must combine to make proteins yet they UN BOND in WATER faster than they bond. The oceans are complete full of water. Brownian motion drives them away from each other to equilibrium not together.


What he made is a problem for Evolutionist because he proved it can not be done. All this experiment has shown us that there must of have been a designer.

 

Before I get long winded on why. I want to first say this is all baloney. Every bit of it. You are listening to people who are DESPERATELY trying to squeeze doctrine into the bible by saying the universe is old. They really want this in the bible. You have no idea why, do you ?

God is the ultimate authority. Not the Pharisees. We know what Jesus thought about them...woe.

I'll be coming back to this subject

 

You are welcome here. I want to prove to you the Truth and that your world view is satanic in nature.

 

You're too flattering, really

Do you think you'll have much success? I doubt that if we told you that your view is Chernobog-ic you would be likely to change your mind.