Stoner Stupid

You dont get it at all nesta. We arent just talking about smoking weed. Were talking about possession, production, etc.

Youre right in saying that marijuana is a crime because its said to be a crime. The thing youre forgetting is that with marijuana there is no victim, except the same victims that even alcohol causes. Addiction, car wrecks, etc. Now, this is off point, but dont turn this into an addiction arguement. Dont turn this into a "i can drive perfect stoned". There is no physical damage done to anyone or anything due to smoking a jay. Unlike murdering someone.

With murder there are two victims. The person murdered, and the murder going to jail. If murder was legalized, there would be even more than two victims. One person would murder a person to get back at them, and then someone would murder that person for murdering the other person, etc. Keeping that illegalized causes less problems.

With moving, producing, or even smoking marijuana there is usually only one victim, the mover, producer, or smoker. These victims arent actually doing anything which us humans look at as "harmful" except in a criminal way. They arent hurting anyone, causing problems in anyway, except the problems which the law has made. If marijuana was legalized, there would be fewer producers, fewer transporters, and probably not many more smokers.

This didnt come out as good as I hoped, so im hoping someone gets what im saying and can maybe say it better.

 

you're right, it came out pretty poorly. mostly because you seem to be full of shit, though.

i understand that marijuana crimes aren't maliciously attacking other people, in that they are "victimless" crimes so to speak. thats not the point. the point is that just as you said legalizing it would lower crime rates, but just as i said lower crime rates wouldnt mean much of anything because almost everything that used to be considered a "crime" that is related to marijauna would still occur. people would still grow, process, distribute, and use marijuana. there would still be "burnouts" and lazy, ignorant stoners, there would still be people too high to order their food in restaraunts (and making an ass of themselves in front of others, including children), there would still be kids who skipped school to get high, there would still be people who don't care about too much more than smoking, and just because pot would most likely be cheaper doesn't mean there wouldnt still be robberies (for example, alcohol is legal - but liquor stores and bars still get held up, and there is even organized crime related to the liquor industry if you want to go that far). in short, from an anti-drug person's perspective, things wouldnt be any better, there would simply be less arrests involved.

now i'm not saying pot itself is responsible for any of these things, it is all up to the individual to be responsible. but simply saying that there would be "less crime" if marijuana were legalized is simply not a good arguement for legalization.

i'm not saying murder isn't worse than marijuana, i'm saying that if you're going to use the arguement that marijuana legalization would reduce crime, you could say that about any other crime as well and it would be true. i'm using murder as an extreme case to prove a point. i understand the difference between murder and marijuana related crimes, and pointing out differences isn't helping you prove anything.

an example of a good arguement for legalization of marijuana would be things such as scientific studies showing a correlation between alcohol and instances of violence that also show a lack of a connection between pot and violence, or studies supporting medical uses, or a philosophical arguement on behalf of a person's right to submit their body to what they will so long as it isn't hurting others, etc. the issue of victimhood is irrelovent if you aren't addressing it in your argument. all i've said, really, is that saying legalization would reduce crime is a weak argument. that has nothing to do with victimhood. victimhood issues could potentially make good arguments, but not reduction of crime. in the eyes of an anti-drug person, there are plenty of victims with marijuana, and society suffers as a whole. these are the ideas that need to be attacked, not calling attention to simple facts such as "there would be less crime if so many things weren't illegal."

i'm not saying marijuana shouldnt be legalized or that it's anywhere close to as bad for society as murder, but the reason these things are considered criminal is the widespread belief that BOTH are inherently bad for society to begin with. you ought to be attacking the ideas about it's negative effect on society rather than making obvious, vague blanket statements about crime rates that sound good in your head but are logically flawed. i'm not saying i disagree with you on anything in particular, just that your argument for legalization based on crime rates is weak.

 

So now we are attacking people eh. Yes, but none of those things are really morally wrong when you think about them. Youre growing a plant, youre distributing a plant, and you are smoking a plant. Marijuana has the same downsides of being legalized as alcohol. The country would save a fortune, tons of people would be released from jail.

How many people hold up a liqour store for liqour though? Not many. Robberies wouldnt increase though, thats the thing, thats like saying if you made 500 more giants in the US that it would cause an increase in giant food store robberies.

Things would be much better, we would no longer have to be fighting for somthing which shouldnt even need fought for. People who are in jail for really doing nothing would have their lives given back. Marijuana could be taxed, bringing in revenue out the ass. Dont say that it wouldnt be taxed, because it would. Marijuana dealers wouldnt exist, because it would be easier and safer to just buy from a store. Take amsterdam for instance, everyone says, dont buy from the dealers, and I believe very few people do buy from the dealers. Why buy from some shady guy when you can walk
into a cafe, sit down with like minded folks and smoke.

Less crime is in my opinion the number one reason marijuana should be legalized. Now, dont try to pull a nesta and say thats like legalizing murder. Its not, as i said, if murder was legalized people would be getting hurt. If marijuana was legalized, less people would be getting hurt. There would be no one in jail over somthing silly, there would be no more shady marijuana robberies, people wouldnt get shot over it. Dont say they would, because thats like saying someone is going to get shot over a pack of cigs. Not that no one would get shot over it, shit happens, but there would be no reason on trying to steal someones 8th when you can get it at the store. Would you shoot someone for their grocery cart filled with 300 dollars of groceries? No. Would you shoot someone with a shopping cart full of weed? yes. Maybe not you, but someone would.

No legalization arguement on its own will win the battle. They have to all be brought togethor. But now well switch up, and you sir, are the biggest dipshit I have ever seen step foot on these forums.

Oh yeah, nice one saying im full of shit then agreeing with me at the end in a way.

 

Haha, it's funny that you are all arguing even though you both agree.

 

The thing is, if they weren't stoners, they wouldn't be stupid enough to do things like, oh... I've got a couple nother stories, like:::

the woman who taped a pile of weed under her hood and hid it in the engine compartment, then went to get her oil changed ("I never realised they'd have to pop the hood!")

or

the cops who posted a "we found your weed, come get it" and some guys said "yah, dood, it was loik, fifty pounds in a brown sack, yo..." and they matched the description of the weed PERFECTLY so it was in the silver bracelets for them sharpish.

 

i agree but i think you may have misunderstood.
When I say less 'crime' I'm not talking about mere possesion related charges (although if legalized there wouldn't be a problem with that obviously). I'm saying that if marijuana were to be legalized, it would put a stop to many organized crime outfits (who deal soley with marijuana distribution) and therefore would reduce other crimes such as murder, extortion, money laundering, and many other offences related to organized crime...hope that clarifys what i meant

 

Why do you care so much? You seem like a real bitter person. I would rather people think I am "stupid stoner dood", than an angry, judgemental person. Which is how a large amount of this forum perceives you, no doubt.