I didnt say the exterior looks. Also like i said everyone copies it today but iphone was the first phone you could have personal apps on. before the iphone you had contacts, messaging, bs etc. The iphone aloud you to personalize your phone to suit you. My iphone has pandora with all my favorite stations twitter instagram facebook email local weather etc as well as much more and MUCH more i could have if only i wanted it. Now you may say what phone doesnt these days? But jobs started it. He pushed emloyees to create products that become part of your lives. the competitor will always copy a great product a year or so later but look where the personalization for these types of products came from. Also the iphone, the first smartphone, Changed the world. With smartphones you have the entire basis of human knowledge IN YOUR POCKET! Wanna know how often i "wish i knew something" (well a lot but if its reasonable) HEY LET ME PULL OUT MY SMARTPHONE AND GOOGLE IT?
Then you're really fucked. The hardware inside Macs was proprietary for decades and the only "personalization" that was available was whatever options they made available.Today isn't any different except that they no longer have one of the things that set them apart, the RISC processor from Motorola. Now all Apple computers are sporting Intel processors and nVidia graphics. Still no real options available, just "off the shelf" choices. Hardly what I consider being able to "personalize" something. But I can tell from your response you have only a very rudimentary understanding of what I am talking about and are maybe too young to "know" what I'm talking about from a first hand experience perspective. Jobs/Apple had already passed off their garbage as "new and innovative" before you were even born. In reality, all the "innovation" that Jobs introduced in the later years after the Macintosh generation is what ultimately led to them being some of the shittiest computers available, but that horse has been beat to death in these forums, so not interested in visiting that topic again. But honestly, without sounding like a complete ass, even though I am, you are too young to comprehend some of this stuff and please, stop drinking the Apple "juice".
You shouldnt tell people you dont know what they can or cant comprehend. I just didnt see the point in a hardware discussion being off topic. I don't know what you think people look for buying a computer, but most people don't even know what a processor or graphics card is or what it is used for. Apple sells ready to use computers that can handle almost everything any customer needs. Out of curiosity what kind of computer do you have? And Macs are not some of the "shittiest" computers available. They have basic high performance parts. If you go to any retail store most laptops dont even have a graphics card, and almost all of them have intel processors. Also to my knowledge i dont know of any company that offers the type of personalization you speak of because its sort of an irrelevant market anyone with the knowledge to buy from would most likely just order parts and build it them self.
Considering I have been building and repairing computers for longer than you have been on the planet kinda does give me a vantage point from which I can say, "you don't know what you're talking about", at least concerning this topic. AND How can considering the hardware be off topic when talking about computers and related technology???? Seriously, if all you give a shit about is how pretty and shiny the box is, then your praise of Jobs is apropos, but for a person who is familiar with the actual parts that count, the internal hardware, then Jobs is more charlatan than technician. What kind of computer do I have?, currently or all? First one, given to me- a Compaq DeskPro with a whopping 640K of RAM, a 20 megabyte MFM hardrive and powered by an Intel 8088 processor blazing along at a stupendous 25mhz I did a few upgrades to it, video card, hard drive, sound card. 2nd- a 386DX 40 with a 540mgb hard drive and 8 megs of RAM, built it myself 3rd- a 486DX4 100mhz with 16 megs RAM, 540mb & 750mb drives, a Diamond Stealth vesa-local bus video card with 32 mbs of VRAM, a SoundBlaster AWE32 with a total of 12mbs of RAM on board, built it myself 4th- An AMD X133 (?) cpu with 16 mbs RAM, same drives as above, Matrox Mystique video w/8mbs VRAM, same audio as above, built it myself 5th- Pentium 166 (o.c.>200) w/16 mbs RAM, can't remember the drives, same sound card as above (sucker lasted along time) and same video card as above. built it myself 6th- PII 266, don't recall the specs, built it myself 7th- PIII 500, don't recall the specs, built it myself 8th- P4 2.66ghz, don't recall the specs, but had nVidia graphics, built it myself 9th- P4 3ghz, don't recall the specs, built it myself 10th- Core2 Duo 2.5ghz(o.c. > 3.2ghz) Wolfdale, 500gig WD Caviar Black drive, nVidea Gforce 9800 GT w/1 gig DDR3 VRAM, built it myself, wife still uses it every day. Current machine- QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300, 3000 MHz (7.5 x 400) with a Zalman heatsink Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L MOBO System Memory 8 gigs-OCZ Gold XTC OCZ2G10662G 2 GB DDR2-1066 DDR2 SDRAM (x4) Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 550 TI (2gigs DDR5) Monitor HYUNDAI IT 22 Wide Digital (got it on sale for $99) Drive #1 Samsung 120 gb SSD Drive #2 WDC WD7501AALS-32J7B0 750 gig Caviar Black Drive #3 WDC WD1001FALS-00E8B0 1 Terabyte Caviar Black Optical Drive TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223F DVD burner Concerning companies that offer the type of customization/personalization I'm talking about.....dude, seriously, Google it. You can get custom PC's ranging anywhere from $500-$50,000 out there, and with a hell of a lot better quality then Apple could ever offer.
Soo basically you just proved my point... I dont even see the point in elaborating because im obviously talking to a wall but here goes... Apple isnt a computer parts company. Its a consumer electronics company. Computers are a portion of their products. "You can get custom PC's ranging anywhere from $500-$50,000 out there, and with a hell of a lot better quality then Apple could ever offer." ^yes but those arent from consumer electronic companies. There from companies who specialize in building custom computers that are not being sold in stores. Apple isnt going for that market. I dont think you get that im not trying to tell you macs are the best computers in the world Im just saying they are the best option for 90% of people looking to buy a computer. Most of those computers are scrap. Best one being your "current machine" Which is about the same specs as a mid grade mac with an extra hard drive. But also like i said. People like you dont buy computers. You build them because no major company is worried about the niche custom built computer market. Apple probably has contracts with each company that has a part in their computers. Therefore they cant offer options such as amd over intel or nvidia. Man i dont think you get that im not trying to say macs are the best computers you can buy. Im simply saying they are the best option for 90% of people looking to buy a computer.
If you didn't pick up on it, that is a chronological listing of systems I have built for myself over the last 20+ years, I didn't bother listing the 4-5 dozen other systems I built for friends, family, clients, etc. So after 20+ years as a hobbyist and 15 years of working in the industry off and on up to present day, I will say I strongly disagree with you about the above remark. As I said, before you were born, Macs did hold strong in the marketplace BASED ON THE HARDWARE and became the first choice of graphic artists/designers around the world. That is the reason why for the first few years Adobe Photoshop and other Adobe products were only available for Macs. Then they lost that niche market and Jobs began to implement the strategy you are applauding and the company began turning out crap when compared dollar for dollar to PC's (especially considering they contain the same guts), but it is pretty looking crap. you don't have the benefit of that perspective because you were born into the iPod paradigm, whereas I can remember a world without iPod, iPads or any of that gleaming white, extortionately priced garbage But the topic is Jobs, and on that I personally see him as a 21st century snake-oil salesman and front-man/face of a company, not a tech guru and without the Woz, he would have been nothing.
I would say this is just an opinion, but nevertheless just as valid as the one NoxiousGas has. Yes, it is indeed not about the hardware in the first place but about Jobs, and in that my view is similar as this one: I'm not sure if he would have been nothing without that Wozniack guy so I don't speculate about that
I just priced one out at the Apple store that almost comes close to my specs, it would cost over $2000, I put mine together for about $700 total. I suppose you have never heard of Newegg.com, TigerDirect.com, Microcenter, Fry's, I could go on and on listing companies who's primary focus is the "niche custom built computer" market. Exactly what I stated earlier but I'm confused You said they offer great personalization for their products, Doesn't sound like it from the statement you made above.
Apple is pretty much AGAINST customization and personalization from my perspective. At least when compared to their competitors. But if all you've had is I phones and macs you really wouldn't see that.
I also can see how apps are convenient and seems revolutionary how it personalizes your device and what you want to do with it but to be real honest: I doubt there wouldn't be something similar if Jobs didn't came up with that idea. It's not that brilliant or inevitable to think of imho.
There's a dark side to having a lot of customization. PC users have a lot more problems than Apple users partly because they often have configurations that are hard to support and troubleshoot.
Especially when some of the software is outdated every year, and the operating system every few years (so they sometimes don't support each other at all anymore) But yeah, I still favour the PC myself but this was not to be a thread about which system has the best hardware.
I still favor pc myself simply because i know everything about it and dont feel like learning a new operating system i dont worry about viruses malware spyware etc because i know i can easily fix any problem that may arise and can get a better computer for cheaper. My point is simply for the average user. Random house wife, student, grandma, non tech savy people. Macs are the way to go. About tiger direct new egg etc. Those are computer companies. There companies that help sell 3rd party computer parts, products. Thats like me trying to tell you best buy makes the best computers. Your still not gettin my point. And as for customization like i said EVERY company has it now but apple is the company who started it. First computer with different fonts, colors, apps, etc. Im not saying this things never would have came along but without apple it would have taken longer. All electronic companies had to revolutionize how personal your electronics have to be in order to compete with apple. And noxious about your "i priced a mac with my specs at 2000$ for my 700$ custom build" Sooooooo you can get the exact personalization your looking for.... Your just being a hypocrit now. And yeah well why wouldnt your custom built computer be cheaper? Thats why you custom built it instead of buying one. Also your custom built computer is lacking in what the Mac would have extra. I doubt your monitor is half as good as a 2000$ mac would be. touch screen? Motherboard? speakers? subwoofer? The resell value? The warranty ? wirelessly connect and stream hd to your tv? bluetooth? and many more options. I never said macs are cheap I said there good. I think lamborghini's are overpriced too but that doesnt mean im gonna walk around telling people how shitty they are too.
Yeah but apps changed the world. Imo smartphones are the single greatest invention of our generation.
The iphone revolutionized the smartphone. Even the competition took a long time to come out with the first droid.
You are utterly clueless my friend. I didn't say I could get the customization I want from Crapple, just that a system CLOSE TO MINE REGARDING SPECS (although mine is better) would cost ~ $2000. yet another product of the wonderful school systems, graduates yet can't comprehend simple written communication and quite frankly all those little points about how "good" the parts I use are compared to Apple, mine are many magnitudes better in quality and reliability, I do my research and homework before I purchase anything, and everything I get comes with a better warranty then the limited one year Crapple offers. Streaming video, music, wireless, yada, yada, yada, pffff, I was doing that type of shit on my home network long before it became commonplace. I guess you missed the part about how I've been building computers since before you were even conceived and I know what I'm doing and talking about concerning the topic. But I will agree with you on one thing, Apple products are the tech gadgets for the moronic and technologically illiterate. Jobs certainly did a good job in cornering that niche market.
