steve jobs

Discussion in 'People' started by hillbillyhippy, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    It's called marketing. look at how they sell cars. Look at how everything is marketed.

    If apple products weren't in such high demand no one would be bitching would they?

    Buy a different product if you don't like it
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well probably only because it wouldn't come under our attention then ;)

    That sounds like a great marketing trick but no thanks I don't buy any product because of my dislike for one product/brand in particular :p
     
  3. Gongshaman

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    atsa what I thought ;)
     
  4. BeautifulThings

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    highly overrated.. he didn't do half of what people think he did
     
  5. Hipstudent

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    Well steve jobs may not have been the brains behind every invention but the way steve ran apple was why i love him. He wanted to build products that were more than just tools. Products that could be personalized to each individual who purchased them. While every other company copies this today its hard to notice but without jobs it would have been longer before we could have our own personal backgrounds, themes, voices, music, etc. on all of our gadgets.
    Steve always pushed his employees to think outside the box and do things the competition isnt willing to achieve.

    Steve even lost control of his company for quite some time because the other members of power in apple didnt like that steve worried about the actual products and refused to shortcut his products to make higher profits.

    Also like myself lol steve jobs was a huge fan of lsd and said many times it was one of the most important things he ever did.

    Theres a movie that came out last year about him its very good you should take a look.
     
  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    So you partially dig him because he was a fan of lsd like you... I think it might be one of the most important things he did for himself but not for you or me.
     
  7. Hipstudent

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    Pretty much. I didnt say it was for you or me. But any higher powered man willing to say that is a good guy in my book. Whether most people in his position believe it or not they would rarely admit to something such as that in fear of public opinion.

    Also isnt it common that people like others like themselves? if you see a guy wearing a t shirt with your favorite band would you not automatically be more interested in him opposed to the next person ?

    Im not saying i was totally like steve jobs but psychedelics are an important part of my life as they were in steves
     
  8. Asmodean

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    By definition? Ludicrous.
     
  9. Hipstudent

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    Please elaborate ?
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Any high powered man that took lsd and proclaims it in public is a good man in your book. Do I really need to expand on why that is terribly naive?
     
  11. Hipstudent

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    Thats not what i said. But i do enjoy how you arrange my words with an attempt to add new meaning.


    Ill elaborate further so you may fully comprehend what i said and meant.
    The common practice of anyone in a position like jobs is to appear as a perfect citizen... Such as Bill Clinton.. Never smoked weed until he gets caught. "I didnt inhale"

    Jobs always admitted to using lsd. If someone tried to badger him about it he was always honest. He would speak his opinion and didnt care what people would have to say to it about him. The HONESTY he showed what would make anyone a good guy in my book. It just happened to be about a controversial drug in which i share the same opinion but wouldn't expect anyone in his position to admit.
     
  12. Asmodean

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    Well that's why I asked if it was by definition ;)

    So you think he is a good person because he took lsd, was in a high power position and still admitted to it openly. How did I rearrange your words to get a new meaning.
     
  13. Hipstudent

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    I didnt realize you were asking for the definition. i took by definition ludicrous as you were claiming my statement could be passed for the definition of ludicrous

    "Any high powered man that took lsd and proclaims it in public is a good man in your book."
    Isnt what i said though. That sounds as if im a fan of anyone in power who promotes lsd. When in fact Im just a fan of anyone in power who still values honesty and being "real" over his public image.
     
  14. Asmodean

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    I wasn't asking for a definition. I was asking do you apply that conviction by definition (look it up what that means if you have doubts) on high powered people that openly admit they took lsd. I hope not, because that would be ludicrous.

    That Jobs felt like he could be honest about his lsd use is no guarantee he was honest about other things. If he was really honest about his and his products public image why wasn't it clear from the beginning the products were produced as cheap as possible in Asian countries for example?
     
  15. Hipstudent

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    Steve started apple and was asked to leave the company for awhile because he believed in quality>profits. He was later asked to return but even so my opinion of the man is that he does genuinely care for his product. I know he cares for profits too, and he didnt have 100% control of what goes on at apple. I also have things i dont like about jobs. He was self centered and left a lot of people behind on his way to the top. I would have done things differently but i also probably wouldn't have went as far. Overall my opinion of the man is still a positive one.

    As far as production goes. I would expect that. In reality who's to say asian produced products are inferior or superior to American? I don't personally know the asians making them or the americans who would have, however i do know americans dont work for cheap. Made in america im sure a new macbook would cost a lot more than $1,500
     
  16. Asmodean

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    It's not in the first place about the quality of the product (for me) but about the quality of conditions and pay of the workers there. American businesses don't move their producion processes over there because the chinese like to work for less... they have to work for less and the process is made cheaper because they can skip on the quality of the working condictions. Have you never heard of that?
     
  17. Hipstudent

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    I understand where your coming from and respect your opinion however Im more of a quality of product person i guess. Americans are lazy though myself included. There are a lot of foreign people who would love 5$ an hour jobs i would decline at 20$ an hour.
    I believe if you dont like what your doing. Why are doing it?
     
  18. NoxiousGas

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    Really?
    Is that why every fucking Mac looks the same with the same hardware configs, why every iPhone looks the same with, as well as every iPad?

    LOL, Apple is the anti-thesis to personalization of technology products.

    I can put tons of different software on my PC, a godawful shit-ton more than is available for Macs, and the same holds true for every other device out there, phones, tablets, MP3 players, whatever.
    Because Apple has such stringent restrictions on software developers, often with the caveat that they can not offer the software on other platforms, means a lot of developers don't even bother fucking with writing stuff for Apple crap.

    So again, Jobs offered products that can be personalized????
    not on this planet dude, unless of course you think picking a different color case for your iPhone is "personalization".
     
  19. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    So you like tyrannical assholes who would throw temper-tantrums, belittle and humiliate employees, and generally be considered one of the biggest assholes to ever run a company????


    Man, you gotta stop drinking the Apple "juice". ;)
     
  20. Hipstudent

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    Yep, Steve did it out of hard love. He challenged his employees to think outside the box. You see it as him being an asshole, I see it as someone challenging his employees to succeed beyond their set limits.
     
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