Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers

Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:47:35 PM by america#1



: Visit to Vietnam, March 1968- John

From: JOHN Sent: 3/22/2008 8:24 PM I have just returned from two weeks in Vietnam. The tour started in Hanoi and went down to I Corps to make the rounds of all the bases and positions that were of importance from 1966-1970 including Cam Lo, Gio Linh, Khe Sanh, the Rockpile, Dong Ha, Quang Tri, Hill 55 (7th Marines, Happy Valley), Chu Lai, Phu Bai, Con Thien. I was at almost all of the sites where we had comm shots in my era. There were 16 Marines in the group including Col. Bruce Meyers who took over Khe Sanh from Lounds in April of 1968.

Briefly: There is nothing left of 5th Comm. A new Route 1 runs right through our compound. MAG 16 residuals include the revetments, nothing else. The airstrip is shut down. Dogpatch is a rather nice place now. There is no access to Hill 327. It is a military area. There is nothing recognizable on the road that fronted the compound. The orphanage has been closed. There is a new one very close to MAG 16. Our group visited it and dropped a couple of hundred on the nuns. Not a dry eye in the group. Nothing is left of Dong Ha except one bunker with homeless. Phu Bai and Chu Lai are commercial airstrips. There is one memorial at the Cam Lo plateau. The rest is brush and pepper trees. There are some traces of our positions on Hill 55- artillery lunettes, trenches. Khe Sanh is a coffee plantation. It is impossible to find the location of the airstrip anymore. There is a museum somewhere between the edge of the airstrip and the access gate. Jim, your waterfall no longer exists. Bridges have been removed and rivers have been dammed. The White Elephant has been torn down. Razorback and the Rockpile are being quarried. There will be nothing left of them in five years.

The people are wonderful. Friendly, happy, without a trace of animosity. The country is rapidly modernizing. There is virtually no trace of the war, no schrapnel, wire, brass. Only a piece of sandback and shell crater here and there.

If anyone has any residual bitterness about the war, go and see the place. You will be cured. How in the hell did our country get that war so wrong? We fought to prevent what I saw? If any of the Comm or Radio Relay guys want to talk about there sites in more detail, I will share what I saw and send some pictures. Semper Fi, John

 

PLEASE DONT DOMINATE THE RAP JACK IF YOU GOT NOTHING NEW TO SAY> Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia..lol

 

Actually, Ho Chi Minh, the leader of then fledgling North Vietnam asked for help from then U.S. President Harry Truman. There was no response.

http://members.tripod.com/rationalrevolution0/war/collection_of_letters_by_ho_chi_.htm

 

Uhmm.. Yeah, that's true, I got nothing new to say. I am just waiting to hear from you to give us more information relating to your war crimes. In your own words, of course.

Have you got any more war stories about how many babies you killed or how many women you raped? LOL.

 

No but certainly had many a lonely night in the desert, Wishing the women didnt hide their bodies so well, But then so thankful they did. Now I know the camel stories are true... lol.

Letters to home... MOM please send razors..
P.S. And some silly string in the can the guys love that stuff..

 

Uhmm...

Ho Chi Minh, the leader of North Vietnam, asked the U.S. for help and assistance, way back in 1945, but was rebuffed.

The Republic of South Vietnam didn't come into existence until 1954, nine years later.

Looks like you've been reading the wrong history books.
Were they the ones provided by your government? LOL.

 

he he.. that was cute.

 

Once again I agree with you about the war itself, what the hell does that have to do with me and the others that did not want to go and then when we had to we got blamed for it, and still do. Why because you don't have the balls to put blame where it belongs, on the Government not us for gods sake. We wanted nothing to do with it and were disrespected for our effort to live thro it. WTF this is narrow minded. Again I did my best to fight the Goverenment did you ever protest anything like we did. Or do you just pick convenient targets for your hate.

Prace

 

Hey vets,
Here's some more vietnam war atrocities for your viewing pleasure.
Might bring back some of that primal urge to kill just for the heck of it, just like back in the day in Nam'.


Vietnam War Atrocities - US GIs testify 1 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43kM66cv0Ow

 

You seem to get your rocks off by quoteing the hell out of me, I like it it means you are thinking about me how nice. How you must envy me. you have done nothing but read books you have not lived history all you can do is read about. How sad you are, what did you do during the war, oh thats right nothing. You were lucky no draft for you so you did not have to go through it. But back to your favorite subject me I'm sure you want to talk to me some more, you really seem to like the death from above thing ( living your life vicariously through mine ) get your own mine is to good for you, you did nothing with yours. Oh the library just opened hurry and get your seat so you can read of the sacrifice of others that did what they were made to do.

Peace

 

That's correct Skip.

I never spat on any vet myself, neither do I condone it, in fact, I would feel sorry for them.
However, like I said, the Vietnam Vets should own up to their mistakes and make every possible effort that the same mistakes does not happen again.

Here's more Vietnam war atrocity video. Hopefully the younger generation can learn from all this.

Vietnam War Atrocities - US GIs testify 2 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGaL-5ARbUw&feature=related

 

I was lucky I wasn't drafted.

I guess, you take it that you were unlucky you were drafted, but instead of resisting the draft, which you could have done in many ways, you chose to participate in a senseless, immoral, unwinnable war.

I was lucky and I would have used my brain.

Guess you were unlucky and didn't use your brain and instead, decided that the easiest way out of this dilemma is to hold a gun and blow people's heads, especially if they didn't look like you, with your government's blessing.

 

Funny thing about Vietnam & Iraq is. With Vietnam there wasnt any defence contractor fucking real soldiers in the ass and then asking for a escort for a convoy of washing machines...
Just thought Id bring that up.. Not like its a fact or nothing.. HA HA.


The privatization of the US military, including the lack of regulation globally of the industry, the effect on the military itself as service men and women choose more lucrative private employment, ineffective screening of employees and a lack of congressional oversight.

“To put it bluntly, the incentives of a private company do not always align with its clients’ interests—or the public good. In an ideal world, this problem could be kept in check through proper management and oversight; in reality, such scrutiny is often absent,”.

Employees of the private military corporations have been subjects of some of the Iraqi conflict’s most notorious stories. Four civilian employees of Blackwater USA were killed by Iraqis in Fallujah in 2004; their bodies beaten, torched and hung from a bridge. The following surge of US military force in that city was considered by many to be retaliation for the killings. The families of the four men have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Blackwater, charging the company failed to provide armored vehicles, equipment, personnel, weapons and maps.

Private contractors from CACI International, a British contractor with offices in Arlington, Va., were criticized in a Pentagon report for violating policy and giving instructions that led to physical abuse at Abu Ghraib prison. The Center for Constitutional Rights is suing both CACI and Titan Corp., a San Diego-based company, for human rights violations committed by their interrogators at Abu Ghraib and the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

But according to those in the industry, these types of companies also provided needed services and freed enlisted personnel to do the fighting.
The International Peace Operations Association, the industry group for the contractors, prefers the term “peace and stability operations” for the private military corporations’ work in Iraq, Darfur and other conflict zones. Association President Doug Brooks often acts as spokesman for the industry as he admits corporation executives often shy away from media interviews. “Just about most of the time you get people calling up to do spicy mercenary stories,”

 

I can't remember any vet saying he was spit on or is it on page two or something I NEVER got spit on. And your picture is very cool, who do you think the people behind the vets were before they got drafted, they were us the hippies that got drafted, you keep on trying to draw distinction between us we were they before we got drafted. Where do you think the Gov. was getting it's cannon fodder.

Peace

 

Oh now I'm a bigot, they did not look like me, how did I know what they looked like ( death from above you know I was blind to race) all I saw was the enemy, you keep on talking about resisting the draft you have no clue give me a real way of doing that canada, prison what?

Peace

 

LOL. That' true.
I would have offered to smoke a joint with a returning Vietnam vet and we could have listened to some good old Jimi Hendrix or Cream records...

Hopefully, this would help them wake up and see the world for what it truly is, as opposed to the lies and propaganda that their government and the military has fed on them.