Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers

Discussion in 'Flashbacks' started by Lizardman0, Apr 30, 2005.

  1. wbld

    wbld Banned

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    Really?
    Is this just another one of those "matters of your opinion".

    I wasn't asking you, I was asking him. LOL.

    Tell me again, who's the dumbass.
     
  2. wbld

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    Alright. This time allow me to pose the question on you.

    You claim that you were a door gunner in a helicopter gunship during the Vietnam war and in your own words:

    "I was death from above, and guess what I got quite good at it"
    "if you were under me and moved you were fair game and payed for it".

    Since you claim to be doorgunner in a helicopter gunship, from your vantage point high up in the air, it would be quite difficult to determine exactly the women and children who had grenades strapped on them, wouldn't it?

    Therefore, it indeed validates the fact that again, in your own words, "I was death from above" and "if you were under me and moved you were fair game and payed for it".

    So you admit that you killed basically everything that moved, including civilians, old men, women, children, perhaps, even animals.

    Since you murdered civilians during the Vietnam War, you really should have been court martialled.

    Tell me again who's the dumbass. ;)


    Yes, I wasn't there. I am merely here reading about how you admit to your grissly war crimes.
     
  3. deleted

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    Theres more violence in this thread than at Altamont.... Hell Angles with this shit. :leaving:
     
  4. silverhippy

    silverhippy Comfortably Numb

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    If women and children were trying to kill a shot down pilot then they got killed. No I could not make out faces, this was a landing zone and hot with fire all around. Again black uniformes gave no clue but enemny combatants. What war crimes I killed those that were trying to kill so I don't know what you are saying. And by the way I claim to be nothing. What I said I did was fact not a claim

    Peace
     
  5. warmhands420

    warmhands420 curmudgeon

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    Where did they run off to? They must have realized they were losing their argument.
    I've seen more brainwashing by the left here than any where else in the world. They must be looking for the guru to tell them what to say. Thinking for yourself is in short supply around here. Or their off killing a republican baby.
    Just a small taste of what I hear over and over.
     
  6. warmhands420

    warmhands420 curmudgeon

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    wbld
    Shoot when shot at. If fire is coming your way shoot back, pretty simple but maybe not simple enough a concept for you to understand. You tell lies. You say people say things they didn't say. You don't have facts to back up your statements. the reports you quote are false, most of them come from freak news papers. Unless your guru tells you what to say your not able to maintain a thread of thought.
    Whens the last time you had an original thought, ever?
    Wise up dupe. Your being used.
     
  7. warmhands420

    warmhands420 curmudgeon

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    wbld
    Where are your pictures of kids who had their arms cut off by the VC for getting vaccinated by the Americans? How about the village mayor who was disemboweled for telling his young men not to go with the VC. Or the man who had to watch as his family was killed on at a time because he backed the south?
    You are so one sided that your invisible when you turn right.
    I still haven't gotten a reply about how the war started, you and your ilk must have believed the story about Nixon. Show how little you all really know, or haven't you been told what to say yet? Waiting for orders from headquarters?
     
  8. silverhippy

    silverhippy Comfortably Numb

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    No this is not just my opinion it is fact, and I really don't care who you were asking, you were not there so you have no right to comment on what went on, you have no clue. Do you really think women and children were not involved if so you are way off base. Women and children can kill as well as any man, better in some cases because we did not expect it from them but it did happen. I KNOW. And I don't need to call you a dumbass again you seem to wear it very well. Have fun with yourself.

    Peace
     
  9. deleted

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    I dont have any death for above tattoos but I do have a nasty scar on my chest from a 82nd Airborn wings punched into my chest from my outfit.

    1. GET READY
    2. STAND UP
    3. HOOK UP
    4. CHECK STATIC LINE
    5. CHECK EQUIPMENT
    6. SOUND OFF FOR EQUIPMENT CHECK
    7. STAND IN THE DOOR, and
    8. Go
    1. Maintain a good body position and count (until the main parachute opens around the count of 4 or emergency steps have to be taken)
    2. Check canopy and immediately gain control
    3. Keep a sharp lookout during descent (avoid collisions)
    4. Prepare to land
    5. Land, executing a PLF..
    6. Shoot at everything thats shooting at you??
    7. Repeat 6 as often as necessary...
    ha ha.....
     
  10. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Yes, I saw that faux "documentary". It wasn't based on reality at all. They spent half the documentary trying to tie the hippie movement in with Charles Manson. Yeah, right! It was a total BLOW JOB by conservatives, and I've reviewed some of the lies in the movie elsewhere on this site.

    I was very pissed off that Peter Coyote narrated it since HE WAS THERE AND KNOWS BETTER. He was with the Mime Troupe in the Haight during the period, and has contradicted his words in other documentaries. He's obviously got a contract with the History channel cause he narrates many of their shows.

    That show tried to lay the blame on hippies but FAILED cause they showed no proof of any of their claims. Charles Manson in no way represents the "hippie movement". He was an evil manipulator who preyed upon hippies.

    If that is the ONLY reference you can come up with, you lose your argument.

    BTW, I WROTE a book on the subject, and your claims that I don't know what I'm talking about are complete b.s. I didn't participate in the war, just the protests. I guess I'm not qualified to discuss the period, eh?

    You want to stop participating in the forums fine. But this is what free speech is about. If you don't like Free Speech, fine, leave. Just like you left Nam.

    BTW, it was YOU who requested this thread be closed. That would stifle the words I am saying now, MY RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. So who is against free speech here?

    Sorry, if you were expecting a victory parade. Never gonna happen, get used to it.

    Don't want to apologize for going to war and killing people for no good reason, that's fine too. You're the one who has to live with it.

    What you DO NEED TO DO, is realize that WE ARE NOT YOUR ENEMIES. I know it's a hard thing when you've been BRAINWASHED to think that anyone who doesn't wear your uniform, or doesn't blindly support an unjust war, is the enemy. You're STILL fighting an unjust war in your head. Get over it, dude!

    It's exactly YOUR attitude that has allowed this gov't to go to war again and again, and to imbue in succeeding generations the same stupid idea that we MUST FIGHT for our country WRONG OR RIGHT.

    No, that's IMMORAL, unethical, and nothing you say will change that.

    You didn't fight the war for us, or our rights. You fought the war for Corporate Imperialists. We knew it then, we sure as hell know it now. How can you be so blind?

    The USA is guilty of crimes against humanity. Anyone participating in the Vietnam and Iraq wars are complicit. Like it or not.
     
  11. silverhippy

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    I agree with you about something the doc you reffered to I saw it what a waste, and stop calling us brainwashed we were not, you don't listen WE DID NOT WANT TO GO get that thru your head. We were the hippies damn it get that to. Oh you are the webmaster I guess that means I have to agree with you. Well make some sense and I will (please don't ban me) but you are wrong I don't even know how old you are, were you with me protesting the damn war in the streets ?

    Peace
     
  12. wbld

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    Uhmm, according to you: "if you were under me and moved you were fair game and payed for it".

    Meaning to say, that women and children need not have been trying to shoot down a pilot when they got killed.

    All they had to do was simply move.
    You could have even imagined that the even the dead moved. LOL.

    By your own admission, you shot and killed anything that moved.
    Why don't you just face it. That's means you were a cold-blooded murderer.
     
  13. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    this post is so full of WHINE. You're gonna remove your posts and run off like a child. Nice.
     
  14. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    of course what you did wasn't seen as illegal... not to the US anyways. Its ok to kill innocent people, so long as your the US.
     
  15. wbld

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    LOL. Looks like our Vietnam Vet couldn't win the war, now they're demanding this thread be closed.

    Can't you guys do anything done right, for a change? LOL.
     
  16. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    As far as how the Vietnam War got started, you can begin with the US determination to have "regime change" in Vietnam. Yup, you got that right. The Vietnam War started for the same reason as the Iraq War. The parallels are incredible! The words used by our presidents are exactly the same to describe our involvement in both cases.

    So we staged one coup after another in South Vietnam, trying to put generals who would do what the US said in power. But in the process the generals went and angered the South Vietnamese people by repressing Buddhism (just like in Burma & Tibet today!), imprisoning and torturing dissidents (just like the US does today).

    The South Vietnamese people themselves began to resist this oppression, which was instigated by the Americans. That resistance, not North Vietnam's military activities led to an "insurgency" just like the one in Iraq!

    So they had President Diem overthrown and executed when he was about to make PEACE with North Vietnam (can't have peace when we're ramping up for war!). Then the US staged one coup after another, each time keeping their handpicked man in power.

    Then came the Gulf of Tonkin - An incident that NEVER HAPPENED. A fabricated attack on a US ship to provide a pretext for launching the war.

    It was as BULLSHIT as Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction.
     
  17. warmhands420

    warmhands420 curmudgeon

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    Again you can say what ever you want as long as you agree with skipper. What about all the other people like Garcia's wife? And the doctors from the district? are you going to ignore everyone else and focus on Manson because you can draw attention away from the fact that your little dream utopia was just that a dream? It seems to be standard operating procedure around here. Any time the truth points in your direction you scurry for cover.
    I left the war behind along time ago skip, its this site that dredges it up. The Vietnamese people run tours to Vietnam for the veterans who fought there. They are more than willing to put the war in the past, they don't demand we conform to a list of demands to be "forgiven". Its you who isn't able to let it go. And I totally disagree with your opinion as to why we fought the war. It only proves you have no idea of the history behind the conflict. Try putting down your single text reference and look to more places for your information. It might open your eyes and your mind but I doubt that's possible.
    You can not judge my motives for anything I do. You don't know anything about me or them. You are driven by your own prejudices that blind you to everything else. Must make you feel pretty good to have been elected, judge , jury , and executioner for the rest of us mortals.
     
  18. wbld

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    warmhands420 curmudgeon

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    you can repeat the same crap over and over still doesn't make it true. those charges that were proven ended up in court martials. the rest were classified as unproven, unfounded accusations. I still haven't heard you answer any questions put to you. the guru slow in answering for you?
    Regime change? WRONG! We weren't even the first foreign troops in Vietnam. We were asked to get involved because Russia and China were backing the North. The legitimate government of the South asked for our assistance. First it was money, than it was equipment, next it was advisors, and then support personell, and over time troops were deployed to back the army of the South.
    And once again you prove you don't know how to do anything but repeat what you have been told by people who weren't there. You history today was my current affairs back then. First hand knowledge beats trumped up BS everytime.
    Tell me all knowing one who was the last foreign power in Vietnam before
    we arrived?
     
  20. skip

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    You seem to have no problem disagreeing. So your point is disproven by your own actions. Thanks!


    I'm not the one who focused on Manson. That supposed documentary about hippies brought Manson up at least three different times, to try to tie him in, like he was part of some vast hippie conspiracy. He wasn't and I've studied his activities in detail and even wrote about it in a multi-media documentary I produced.

    Yes, and those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them, just as the US has in Iraq! We wouldn't be there if there had been a mass refusal to go to war in Vietnam. But the sheep went to the slaughter without so much as a baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

    And now you all want to avoid responsibility for your actions. Sorry but Karma don't work that way. The past is always with us and influences our actions today.

    I call 'em like I see 'em. I let Karma take care of delivering justice.

    Look, I completely understand your attitude, but I'm telling you it's unhealthy for you and for the country & the world. If you don't understand that, then you're still in the DENIAL stage. Time to move on...
     

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